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all right good evening how is everybody

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go chat rooms are ready to open this is

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what I got to do it's I got to go

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through everything okay Twitter is up

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and live ie mails go yes and jasonlew

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tonight to discuss technology it is a

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beautiful day it is a beautiful day what

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a great show last night with Holly Holly

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Marie just an incredible show we talked

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about it today to read it and I it was

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just a it was a great show and I miss

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so tonight Jason move and and then

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introducing her to the world tomorrow

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night so get ready that's it I think I'm

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technology stuff I'm gonna set up the

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show with one is about AT&T spying

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within NSA listen what I have to say

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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because tonight very special guest Jason

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Louvre is back and tonight we're gonna

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talk technology for all of it all of it

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and brightest jasonlew okay now tomorrow

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on stellar dot-com and use my referral

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comments during the show hashtag f2b q

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is jimmy at jimmy church radio calm

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breaking news and it is sad Toys R Us

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will end it's going out of business sale

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as it prepares to close every u.s.

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location officially this Friday that's

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right the remaining 200 Toys R Us and

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Babies R Us stores will shut their doors

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this Friday June 29th many locations

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that have run out of stock have already

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shut down and many more are scheduled to

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close as early as midnight tonight

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the 70 year old franchise as either

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closed or sold its 735 Us locations and

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that's sad I I know that eBay and Amazon

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and the Internet has a lot to do with

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this a lot of shopping online and I

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understand that and sometimes you know

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you need to you need to respond and

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embrace the internet if you want to be a

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both these days I think Toys R Us was

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probably behind the ball but that has

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nothing to do with how I feel inside it

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it rips at me because all of us

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everybody listening to me right now has

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a toy Zara's memory and I I grew up just

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like everybody here I grew up from day

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one with Toys R Us and there was nothing

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like going to Toys R Us with your

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parents nothing like it nothing Legos

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right I mean I mean how cool was it

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right and Toys R Us and that's that's

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the part that I think we remember you

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then there's another part when you

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your children there you know from the

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time that they are able to walk and you

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can you know just go toy shopping and

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hanging out with your with your kids at

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Toys R Us there was nothing better than

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because the same magic was there for

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them as it was for you and you know your

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kids words absolutely glowing inside

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just like you did when you were a kid

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isn't that trippy and you know I know

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that a couple of investors and one big

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investor tried to step in and and

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purchase it and keep it alive it fell

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sad sad Toys R Us right such as me if it

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hurts doesn't it that's where a

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right there that's when the government

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alright there you need to keep that

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alive but Toys R Us is no more as of

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this Friday unbelievable and I'll tell

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you something else this isn't part of

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yep yep Canada everywhere all those

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it's just Toys R Us in the United States

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it's just like Jimmy remember Children's

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Palace on Shadeland I do I do remember

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to children's path lozad Shadeland that

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Shadeland is the main one of the main

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drags in Indianapolis I used to work on

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Shadeland that's where Western Electric

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was on Shadeland but anyway yeah

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children's palace and Shadeland that

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rocked man I love my nap town people I

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love my nap town people we've got to

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somehow get something going on in

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Indianapolis because I need to come back

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I need to come back to Indy here as soon

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as I can and come hang out with

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everybody miss nap town all right don't

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forget to sign up for our soul tech

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gathering I'm not too sure I haven't

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didn't believe it or not I didn't have

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the time to check this weekend I should

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have done it before the show today see

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how many tickets we have left

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we're running out I didn't get the big

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okay we're sold out message yet but it's

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it's it's happening soon so go to soul

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tech gathering calm and get sign up it

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is August 9th through the 12th I want to

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let everybody know that Corey Goode is

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gonna have speakers include james

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gilliland Jason quit Matthew Ryan

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Makayla Sheldon Teresa Ian in Aris Holly

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Marie Mary Gabriel John lund Dana Harvey

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Billy Carson Laura Cantu and Christine

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will all be teaching ok so this is this

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is a conference where we are going to do

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three straight days for four nights

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three three days of teaching okay we've

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got classrooms

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it's going to be nothing but right so

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that's what you want to do is get signed

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up right away the food is going to be

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amazing

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and the night watches that were the sky

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watches that we're gonna do in the field

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of dreams each night Sunday night we are

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going to have a party we're gonna have

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food trucks that are coming in we're

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gonna have music and fun and as well as

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some sky watching that'll be going down

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a Sunday evening so we've got a great

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itinerary you can check everything out

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at a soul tech gathering dot-com this

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lineup of speakers and how we are doing

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it it's going to be different and I

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wanted to I wanted to create those

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memories for everybody that Rita and I

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got it's it's just a magical place II

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said II and it is such a an opportunity

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for everybody to not only to learn and

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to gather knowledge but to make friends

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because that's what we did there we we

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took a group picture up in East Eddy

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last year got everybody together as we

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were eating dinner I don't know a

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hundred or so people in this this pic

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because we were all friends it was just

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it was cool and I didn't want to leave I

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didn't want to leave so that's what the

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goal was here for soul tech okay go and

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get signed up now soul tech gathering

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need is right there and then a week

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later I'm going to be heading out August

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17th through the 19th I'm heading out to

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Loveland Colorado for dimensions of

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disclosure with Corey good David Wilcock

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Emory Smith Tori CNRS Gerald O'Donnell

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Jordan Saylor and twenty other speakers

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and tickets and information all over at

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while you're over at Jimmy Church radio

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calm

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don't forget FAO Schwarz yeah

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FAO Schwartz

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I went to well have I been to so many of

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AO short but the one that was in New

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York is it still there

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this fao schwarz still opening in

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Manhattan how could they close that down

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keep that baby open fao schwarz don't

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nothing like becoming an official fade

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or not where you're gonna get a private

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email to me right I'm a little behind on

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my emails everybody I know I know I know

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but I'll get caught up on on those over

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the last couple of days but to get a

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private email to me you get the bunker

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them whenever you want however you want

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and if you get the game changer you also

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get that famous fade to black here you

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get an autograph fade to black hat that

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is not for sale you can only get that

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fade to black hat if you become a game

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changer alright and you're also gonna

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get a t-shirt and you know I get people

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all the time I do hey man

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sell me a hat nope nope nope nope we've

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laid down the law there and that's it

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you can only so when you see somebody

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wearing a fade to black hat there's only

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one way to get it and that's another

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fader knot right there

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and so that's what you do you go up and

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go to dude I'm a fader not that's what

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you do that's what they're there for

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okay and you can get it right now go

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over to our membership check a

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membership section become a failure not

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let's get this show crackin

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right now happy birthday to today Chris

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O'Donnell is 48 years old and he didn't

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make the cut for playing Robin in the

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Batman films and I know that's what

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you're thinking right now he made the

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cut because of scent of a woman

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yeah you probably didn't know that see I

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know these things and I share the

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knowledge it's really that simple

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hey John that's a really cool shot of

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now I just retweeted that there's that's

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John part of John's gear he's got all of

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it that's the new fade to black shirts

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right and there ah that's autographed

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he's got the autographed hat too as well

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that's the new when you renew your

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subscription you get this version of the

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shirt that's the new one that's really

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cool

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and yeah man

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pretty cool gear collection era John on

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this day in history OTD 1956 one of the

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biggest days in the United States

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history because I'm in this day in 1956

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Congress approves the Federal Highway

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Act which allocates more than 30 billion

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ducks for the construction of 41,000

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miles of Interstate Highways that's

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right roadside attractions yep there

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wouldn't be any Cracker Barrel if it

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wasn't for the federal highway Act it

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was it was the largest public

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construction project in US history now

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what we had the courtroom scene sent him

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a woman that's really good this is the

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deal with that

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think about what it did not only to

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connect the country but to unite

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families the station wagons right

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driving summer vacations Christmas

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vacations driving across the country

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with six kids

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in the back of a station wagon without

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seatbelts thrown stuff out the back

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window that was those were the days and

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that's what happened on this day in 1956

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now we got to do it all over again

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really it means to be another federal

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highway act and we just need new

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highways just rebuild them I wonder what

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it would cost today in the US dollars in

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in today's dollars I wonder with that

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somebody posts that up or waffle houses

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yeah you're right about that

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IPD you're absolutely or pilots or what

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loves those truck stops so in u.s.

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dollars from 1956 to 2018 30 billion to

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do 41,000 miles back then what would it

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cost in today's dollars

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finally OTD before I was born

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nice Karen so Karen did you did you tour

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did you vacation in the back of a

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station wagon without seat belts with

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your brothers and sisters man those for

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the day's unbelievable fader fact now

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this goes hand in hand with our show

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tonight I'm going to talk to Jason about

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tonight's fader fact and also my rant

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which I've got to get to now but fader

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fact one in three children one in three

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children today can use a tablet before

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they can speak think about that yeah one

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in three tonight Jason Lube is here

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we're gonna talk technology all night

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long tomorrow night I'm introducing you

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to Tracy Garbett that will be tomorrow

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night Thursday night's another failure

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tonight open lines all night long Jon

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Rappoport is back on the road well here

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we go day right now my rant tonight

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needs a shot of this coffee

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I also miss hitting it being able to sit

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in the back of a pickup and having the

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wind blowing on you yeah you probably

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probably can't do that today that's in

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the chat room

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that's from Catalina in the chapel can

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you do that can be right around on the

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back of a pickup truck

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probably in the South anyway at least

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eight AT&T facilities across the United

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States provide the NSA with data

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essential to spy on internet and phone

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traffic across the globe US according to

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the intercept and their report that was

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published today adding that the agency

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called AT&T a trusted siliceous partner

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for over 30 years Dallas pays

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multinational telecommunications

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conglomerate AT&T has provided us

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intelligence with private data of its

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customers through a specially designed

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surveillance program called Fairview

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after the first reports of the secret

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program Cerf is back in 2013 and I

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talked about it on this program

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following the revelations of

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whistleblower Edward Snowden the

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intercept has managed to identify at

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least eight AT&T sites that transmit

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billions of private messages chat

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history and phone calls to the US

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government now I'm quoting here AT&T is

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the only company involved in fairview

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which was first established in 1985

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according to NSA documents and involves

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tapping into international

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telecommunications cables routers and

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switches the publication's said all of

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this after conducting a thorough

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investigation of public records secret

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NSA records and witness testimony now

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while other physical locations may be

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involved in the fairview program the

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investigation identified 18 t's backbone

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and peering facilities in Atlanta

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Chicago Dallas Los Angeles New York Sam

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Cisco Seattle and Washington DC and all

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of them are hidden in plain sight

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in addition to ATT customers the u.s.

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Jain also reportedly jeopardized the

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privacy of other telecom providers they

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use the company's service node routing

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complexes refer to as peering sites they

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include us-based telecommunications

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giant sprint and cognate communications

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in addition to Sweden's Thalia India's

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Tata Communications Tata and Italy's

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Telecom Italia Germany's Dutch telecom

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and now check this out with the internet

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originating back in the United States

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and 1970s in the global outreach of

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local tech companies major part of

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international data and communications

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traffic is currently routed through the

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u.s. America's geographical position

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that's right everything funnels through

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here now it also helps that the United

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States is smack dab in the middle of

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what well

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Europe the Middle East in Asia that's

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right everything runs through here now

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the NSA possesses vast legal powers to

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snoop on emails phone calls and other

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communications passing through the US as

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well as making American tech companies

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install surveillance Hardware in their

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networks and carrying out these

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activities the agency draws from

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executive order one two three three

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three which was introduced during Ronald

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Reagan's time in office back in the

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1980s it allowed the NSA to monitor all

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communications which originate and

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terminate in foreign countries but

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travel through the United States the 8th

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nuclear blast resistant windowless

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facilities offer the NSA common backbone

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admission to raw user data that passes

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through the network which includes web

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browsing social media queries other

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forms of online and phone activity and

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in addition the US company has around

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nineteen thousand five

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500 points of presence in 149 countries

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which helped the NSA monitor online

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activity again I'm gonna quote here the

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data exchange between AT&T and other

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networks initially takes place outside

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AT&T z' control at third-party data

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centers that are owned and operated by

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companies such as California's Equinox

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but the data is then routed in whole or

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in part through 8 AT&T buildings where

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the NSA taps into all of it it's pretty

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crazy

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now I've got the addresses of all eight

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buildings I have personally seen too

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I've got the addresses for all eight and

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it's almost worth traveling the country

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to go look to walk inside how would you

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like to be able to now the AT&T Center

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in Manhattan it's a very famous building

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and I can guarantee you it's a very fact

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they use it for all kinds of things but

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I guarantee you you go up to that front

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door turn around look at the street

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you're gonna see snoops you're gonna see

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crazy cars you're gonna see people going

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in and out of that building that will

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scare the crap out of you real spies

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real spooks real snoops think about that

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at eight different cities across the

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United States every all of you know when

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you think about you know Dallas and in

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Manhattan and Los Angeles in Seattle

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right you think about these these points

586
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and that all of your data all of it all

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of it goes through those eight buildings

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every text it's crazy it's absolutely

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nuts I'll have more on this later on

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tonight and I'll be discussing this with

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Jason because we're gonna talk

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technology all night long this is fade

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lines all night long taking your phone

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calls it is fader night tonight Jason

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Lube is back with us I'm very excited

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about this show I discussed these

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subjects about not only technology and

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AR in AI in parallel worlds and and what

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Silicon Valley is is doing with all of

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that to help science prove some of these

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fantastical things that were only

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science fiction just a short while ago

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today a science fact

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well Jason is the author of eight books

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including John Dean the Empire of Angels

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generation hex and the psychic Bible and

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as a journalist he has covered

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00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:01,570
surveillance international trade and the

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dark side of technology for vice news

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Boeing Boeing motherboard and many more

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and as a futurist and strategist he has

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worked on Buzz Aldrin's international

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campaign to colonize Mars and Google's

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artificial intelligence program tonight

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we're gonna discuss how technology has

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00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,820
taken over our lives how this tech will

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affect our future and what we can do to

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preserve our individual thought and

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00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:30,070
actions big brother is watching and I

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would like to welcome watch I like to

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watch Jason Louv back to the program

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Jason good evening hey Jamie thanks for

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00:39:43,980 --> 00:39:41,260
having me back on it's really good to

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hear your voice my friend and I don't

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00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:46,780
know we're gonna start off here Jason I

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don't know if you caught my rant at the

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00:39:57,740 --> 00:39:52,840
beginning of the show but every program

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every night I do a fader fact right and

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in that I try to bring something that is

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00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:04,660
nearly unbelievable but vetted and

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00:40:14,190 --> 00:40:08,460
tonight's fader fact for you was this

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one in three children today can use a

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tablet before they learn to speak

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now if that isn't an indication of

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things I'm speechless about that days is

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that unbelievable that's I'm busier

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it doesn't surprise me it is a

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frightening of a fact as I can present

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00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:41,650
but it doesn't surprise me I'm sure that

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00:40:45,790 --> 00:40:44,270
you're you're thinking things right now

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00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:45,800
what what goes through your head when

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00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:47,750
you hear something like that I'm just

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00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:49,670
wondering if they can learn how to order

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00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:51,710
on Amazon Prime before they can speak

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00:41:00,970 --> 00:40:54,730
run up their parent's credit card tab I

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00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:00,980
did a story I did a story it was about I

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don't know maybe six months a year ago

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00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:06,890
is this mom is just getting this crazy

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00:41:12,730 --> 00:41:09,680
stuff delivered to her house right it

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was just like weird stuff then it turned

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out her four-year-old son was ordering

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off of Amazon and got her credit card

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right and and was just the stuff that he

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was seeing on teeth just as you know

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these weird packages and and there you

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go yeah yeah I wouldn't doubt it I

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00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:34,520
wonder if he could speak that's too

741
00:41:40,270 --> 00:41:36,470
funny well of course the first thing

742
00:41:42,370 --> 00:41:40,280
that I think of it obviously is I wonder

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00:41:45,070 --> 00:41:42,380
if people have done scientific studies

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00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:45,080
on what that does to brain development I

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00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:47,630
don't think you know somebody who grows

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up living in the virtual world and

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interacting with tablets is not gonna

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develop the same way as somebody who

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grows up reading books or even just

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watching TV anything so I'm curious if

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there's any scientific literature on

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that that would be my first question and

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00:42:07,450 --> 00:42:05,330
and talking about Google and their AI

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00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:07,460
which we're gonna discuss later on in

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00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:09,890
the program but back to children and

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tablets one of the big big moneymakers

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00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:19,040
for YouTube is YouTube for kids right

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00:42:24,359 --> 00:42:22,010
and where these parents are giving their

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kids a tablet putting that sucker on

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autoplay and letting it rip and these

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kids are just and they don't know the

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parents

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in the other room or whatever doing

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their thing and whatever automated AI

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00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:41,690
choices are coming up and end you know

766
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:43,400
what I'm talking about right Google will

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00:42:46,570 --> 00:42:45,110
see yeah yeah of course the algorithm

768
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:46,580
right of course I'm sure it's gonna be

769
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:48,290
crazy stuff but then at the same time

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00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:50,810
you have to I don't know I think about

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00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,870
back to the 80s when you know when when

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kids were growing up before the eighties

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00:42:59,920 --> 00:42:57,650
watching cartoons they were just at the

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00:43:01,960 --> 00:42:59,930
mercy of the network so I don't know if

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00:43:03,790 --> 00:43:01,970
it was that too much different and of

776
00:43:06,070 --> 00:43:03,800
course these things can seem sinister

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00:43:08,110 --> 00:43:06,080
there are aspects of them which are

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00:43:10,030 --> 00:43:08,120
phenomenally sinister but that's always

779
00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:10,040
been the case for new technologies and

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00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:12,070
new technologies have always been

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00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:15,410
resisted so for me as a futurist I feel

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00:43:21,010 --> 00:43:19,190
that it's kind of part of my job to look

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00:43:23,590 --> 00:43:21,020
at the dark side of technology

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00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:23,600
particularly now as we just walk openly

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00:43:27,610 --> 00:43:26,030
into the technological age and I think

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00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:27,620
that people are more aware of that now

787
00:43:32,770 --> 00:43:30,710
particularly with the extent of the

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00:43:34,570 --> 00:43:32,780
manipulation of Facebook in the 2016

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00:43:37,540 --> 00:43:34,580
election and that and that type of thing

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00:43:39,070 --> 00:43:37,550
but I've also not a pessimist about

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00:43:41,350 --> 00:43:39,080
technology I think the technology

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00:43:43,060 --> 00:43:41,360
especially a lot of the new technologies

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00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,070
coming down the pipeline are gonna be

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00:43:48,370 --> 00:43:46,160
the best chance to solve our problems as

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00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,380
a species I think that it's far more

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00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:50,960
likely that we're gonna get fixes for

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00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:51,940
things like

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00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,050
environmental degradation or space

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00:43:59,680 --> 00:43:56,960
travel from frankly from the tech world

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00:44:02,430 --> 00:43:59,690
and from private industry then we're

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00:44:04,540 --> 00:44:02,440
gonna get them from government so

802
00:44:06,940 --> 00:44:04,550
hopefully we'll get them from both

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00:44:08,410 --> 00:44:06,950
working in tandem but you know I'm an

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00:44:08,890 --> 00:44:08,420
optimist and pessimist about these

805
00:44:12,430 --> 00:44:08,900
things

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00:44:16,540 --> 00:44:12,440
well back in 1995 you know which is a

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00:44:19,810 --> 00:44:16,550
pretty pivotal year because of not only

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00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:19,820
how the internet you know where we went

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00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:24,230
from you know laptops started to surface

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00:44:33,610 --> 00:44:28,610
we had PCMCIA modems right 14-4 modems

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00:44:37,930 --> 00:44:33,620
and PCMCIA cards and an AOL floppy disk

812
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:37,940
and AOL CDs and and how that you know in

813
00:44:43,090 --> 00:44:40,160
19 right that was the era when it took

814
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:43,100
50 minutes to download one grainy scan

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00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:45,110
of a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue

816
00:44:50,860 --> 00:44:48,470
yeah man those were the days you waited

817
00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:50,870
man and you waited you paid for it by

818
00:44:58,030 --> 00:44:52,390
the minute

819
00:45:00,990 --> 00:44:58,040
you waited but how innocent were we back

820
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:01,000
then not only with us as individuals but

821
00:45:07,810 --> 00:45:05,090
corporations all the way from water

822
00:45:12,450 --> 00:45:07,820
treatment plants and electricity to food

823
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:12,460
distribution and brick-and-mortar stores

824
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:15,530
everything was different just 20 short

825
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,650
years ago and the internet maybe where

826
00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:20,720
we go for entertainment and in our news

827
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:24,830
today but it also runs the world in 20

828
00:45:30,070 --> 00:45:26,690
short years everything has been

829
00:45:31,690 --> 00:45:30,080
integrated into the internet yeah

830
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:31,700
absolutely and it's interesting you

831
00:45:34,810 --> 00:45:33,170
bring up you know 20 years ago we're

832
00:45:37,870 --> 00:45:34,820
certainly in the 90s when the World Wide

833
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,880
Web was first rolling out to the public

834
00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:39,920
there was the rhetoric that this is

835
00:45:44,350 --> 00:45:42,230
gonna create a global village this is

836
00:45:46,210 --> 00:45:44,360
gonna bring everyone together and that

837
00:45:48,310 --> 00:45:46,220
certainly happened but you know it's

838
00:45:49,810 --> 00:45:48,320
that village is like people running

839
00:45:52,540 --> 00:45:49,820
around throwing throwing Molotov

840
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:52,550
cocktails houses burning down everyone's

841
00:45:57,820 --> 00:45:55,910
screaming you know random things in the

842
00:46:00,460 --> 00:45:57,830
street you know hate groups running

843
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:00,470
around it's what we live in a connected

844
00:46:04,090 --> 00:46:02,570
world now but now we have to deal with

845
00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:04,100
the fact that we're all actually

846
00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:06,440
connected to each other and human beings

847
00:46:10,330 --> 00:46:09,230
are kind of terrifying so it's one of

848
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:10,340
those be careful what you wish for

849
00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:14,960
things the that part of it which I'm

850
00:46:23,110 --> 00:46:18,950
fascinated with in that the innocence of

851
00:46:26,350 --> 00:46:23,120
AOL you know 1.0 1.1 1.2 in the activity

852
00:46:29,470 --> 00:46:26,360
of what was going on then versus today

853
00:46:31,870 --> 00:46:29,480
it's like something was activated in our

854
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:31,880
DNA that was always there this

855
00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:36,410
fragmenting this of you know us versus

856
00:46:43,780 --> 00:46:40,340
them and the the fighting and the

857
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:43,790
infighting and the the verbage you know

858
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:46,250
trolling is one thing but you could have

859
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:50,570
two friends two friends go at it that

860
00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:52,370
may have never gone at it before and

861
00:46:56,350 --> 00:46:54,200
certainly not in public or when they're

862
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:56,360
over at somebody's house for dinner but

863
00:47:00,200 --> 00:46:57,480
the Internet has

864
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,210
has brought this out of everybody is it

865
00:47:05,330 --> 00:47:02,160
because like you just said right you

866
00:47:07,070 --> 00:47:05,340
know people are just bad do you know

867
00:47:10,310 --> 00:47:07,080
who's the big new Pierzynski is of

868
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:10,320
course so just the boiler of course for

869
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:13,650
for listeners so Brzezinski was I

870
00:47:17,570 --> 00:47:15,570
believe the foreign policy advisor to

871
00:47:22,570 --> 00:47:17,580
Jimmy Carter and also was a mentor to

872
00:47:24,620 --> 00:47:22,580
Barack Obama and was a geopolitical

873
00:47:27,830 --> 00:47:24,630
strategist also the father of Micah

874
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:27,840
Brzezinski in the 60s he wrote I believe

875
00:47:33,859 --> 00:47:30,420
his doctoral dissertation which was

876
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:33,869
called between two worlds and he talks

877
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:35,940
about the effect that technology is

878
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,119
going to have for the world he talks

879
00:47:45,050 --> 00:47:41,280
about that there's going to be a global

880
00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:45,060
brain and the technology will allow

881
00:47:48,590 --> 00:47:46,920
people to think as one species but

882
00:47:51,740 --> 00:47:48,600
there's also a famous line in there

883
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,750
which I've used multiple times and in

884
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,240
Thaksin and my writing where he says

885
00:47:58,700 --> 00:47:55,920
that you know the instantaneous in

886
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,710
electronic intermeshing of humanity will

887
00:48:04,580 --> 00:48:01,440
lead to strain social fabric and total

888
00:48:07,099 --> 00:48:04,590
social breakdown and he wrote that I

889
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:07,109
think in 1968 it's an incredibly

890
00:48:13,250 --> 00:48:10,290
prescient sentence the idea that

891
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:13,260
technology brings us all a little bit

892
00:48:17,570 --> 00:48:15,930
too close together and I think you're

893
00:48:18,830 --> 00:48:17,580
right there is something in and I don't

894
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:18,840
I don't know what it is but there is

895
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:20,910
something inherently competitive about

896
00:48:25,460 --> 00:48:23,310
communications technology that was the

897
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:25,470
case of the 90s even with Usenet with

898
00:48:28,820 --> 00:48:27,270
news groups there were these epic flame

899
00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:28,830
wars that's that was the first time that

900
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:31,500
started and of course when Facebook and

901
00:48:36,830 --> 00:48:33,810
social media brought that to the the

902
00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:36,840
masses that was part of it but looked I

903
00:48:41,330 --> 00:48:38,790
mean I'm not sure we can blame

904
00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:41,340
technology because combat is part of in

905
00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:43,830
war and an aggression is part of the

906
00:48:47,330 --> 00:48:45,630
human experience you know it says dude

907
00:48:49,099 --> 00:48:47,340
there's been war on this planet every

908
00:48:51,740 --> 00:48:49,109
year since the beginning of the human

909
00:48:53,859 --> 00:48:51,750
species right so it's we're just seeing

910
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:53,869
ourselves in it and I think that as

911
00:48:58,940 --> 00:48:56,130
particularly as Mark Zuckerberg

912
00:49:00,740 --> 00:48:58,950
continues azúcar Bergin gates continue

913
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:00,750
their efforts to give the entire planet

914
00:49:05,090 --> 00:49:03,450
connected what we're seeing is more and

915
00:49:07,609 --> 00:49:05,100
more and more people coming online

916
00:49:10,310 --> 00:49:07,619
people who are have been

917
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:10,320
underrepresented people who haven't had

918
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:11,220
to say

919
00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:13,260
in the 90s in the mid-90s when the

920
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:14,760
internet first started the people who

921
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:15,960
were just on the internet were

922
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,440
California and hippies and you know acid

923
00:49:23,930 --> 00:49:22,079
heads and people who were fascinated

924
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:23,940
with a Liberatore potential of the

925
00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:26,609
technology and you know I love that

926
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,369
those are my people but there they were

927
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:31,680
also to be fair projecting their own

928
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:33,450
wishful thinking about what they thought

929
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,369
the internet would be on to the Internet

930
00:49:39,980 --> 00:49:37,920
the reality has been that the Internet

931
00:49:41,420 --> 00:49:39,990
has allowed everything to come it you

932
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:41,430
know it's just become another layer of

933
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:44,310
the human experience and you know I

934
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:45,510
think one of the things we saw in the

935
00:49:52,430 --> 00:49:48,480
Trump election is the ability of people

936
00:49:55,329 --> 00:49:52,440
who have been felt who have felt shut

937
00:49:59,230 --> 00:49:55,339
out of the media to use social media to

938
00:50:05,510 --> 00:49:59,240
manipulate the discourse tremendously

939
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:05,520
effectively and and how blindsided the

940
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:08,460
political establishment was by that so

941
00:50:12,589 --> 00:50:10,920
and I think that that's only going to

942
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:12,599
accelerate because what we're gonna see

943
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:14,970
happening now is everyone's gonna be on

944
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:16,859
the internet you know people in villages

945
00:50:20,660 --> 00:50:18,599
in the third world in Africa or India

946
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:20,670
are gonna be on the internet with their

947
00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:22,500
with smartphones that they're gonna be

948
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:25,140
charging off of you know solar-powered

949
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:26,970
you know solar dishes and that type of

950
00:50:32,059 --> 00:50:29,609
thing mm-hmm and when that happens we

951
00:50:33,319 --> 00:50:32,069
have no conception of how that's going

952
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:33,329
to change the Internet when the entire

953
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:35,250
world is on Facebook and it's a couple

954
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:38,640
billion already you know that that is

955
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:41,130
going to you know reality is going to

956
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:45,750
continue to fractal eyes and become and

957
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:48,450
just break down in a sense but I also

958
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:51,599
think you know in the 90s and in the

959
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:55,680
2000s the whole utopian idea was that

960
00:51:00,020 --> 00:50:57,780
humanity would be brought together and

961
00:51:01,849 --> 00:51:00,030
that's happening and so I have to keep

962
00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:01,859
that in mind and of course there's gonna

963
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,990
be chaos and rocky bits along the road

964
00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:05,520
because people are messy there's you

965
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:06,990
know there's nothing inherently good or

966
00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:08,730
bad about people they're just chaotic

967
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,190
and messy so this is what the whole

968
00:51:17,170 --> 00:51:13,440
world being brought together looks like

969
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:19,520
learn how to interact with each other

970
00:51:23,170 --> 00:51:20,730
and learn how to deal with each other

971
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:23,180
and deal with people from radically

972
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:25,370
walks of life and the only thing that

973
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:28,130
I'm concerned about in that regard is

974
00:51:32,260 --> 00:51:30,710
the algorithms themselves because the

975
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:32,270
way that facebook is constructed their

976
00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:35,450
algorithms in Google it's that it's it's

977
00:51:40,330 --> 00:51:38,630
to keep people in tunnels where they're

978
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:40,340
only seeing the information that they

979
00:51:44,590 --> 00:51:42,370
want to see so in that sense that's the

980
00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:44,600
antithetical to the idea of really

981
00:51:47,710 --> 00:51:45,950
everyone together I understand why

982
00:51:49,570 --> 00:51:47,720
they've done it and they have to do it

983
00:51:52,930 --> 00:51:49,580
for to maintain a good user experience

984
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,940
and keep people on their site but yeah

985
00:51:57,940 --> 00:51:55,520
that's going there's a lot of there's a

986
00:52:00,190 --> 00:51:57,950
lot in play here well are we still on

987
00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:00,200
the safe side when it comes to the

988
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:02,630
internet and technology and information

989
00:52:11,050 --> 00:52:04,910
are we still on the safe side of entropy

990
00:52:14,770 --> 00:52:11,060
in that is the internet going to end in

991
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:14,780
chaos and break apart and and explode

992
00:52:21,610 --> 00:52:18,770
into little bitty pieces of nothing like

993
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:21,620
everything else I don't think so

994
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:26,000
because what we're seeing now what we're

995
00:52:31,090 --> 00:52:27,410
seeing now particularly as machine

996
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:31,100
learning becomes more advanced is an Big

997
00:52:37,420 --> 00:52:35,030
Data is these technologies are getting

998
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:37,430
better and better at processing and

999
00:52:42,730 --> 00:52:39,850
sorting gigantic amounts of information

1000
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:42,740
and also as processor speed gets better

1001
00:52:47,770 --> 00:52:43,910
with things like better and better

1002
00:52:52,090 --> 00:52:47,780
graphics cards what we're gonna start

1003
00:52:54,910 --> 00:52:52,100
seeing within the next 10 years is a

1004
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:54,920
eyes making sense and making structure

1005
00:52:58,810 --> 00:52:56,810
out of the internet you know I think I

1006
00:53:00,460 --> 00:52:58,820
think it's very clear that that's that's

1007
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:00,470
what's going to happen now of course

1008
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:02,960
those a eyes are very likely going to be

1009
00:53:07,450 --> 00:53:05,090
in the control of all the the usual

1010
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:07,460
suspects the the big tech players but

1011
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:08,390
they're all they're will very likely

1012
00:53:13,450 --> 00:53:11,930
also be ones created by individuals or

1013
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:13,460
small groups or startups things like

1014
00:53:17,620 --> 00:53:14,930
that there's gonna be thousands of a

1015
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:17,630
eyes running around the internet but

1016
00:53:22,450 --> 00:53:20,510
what we're doing as a species is zooming

1017
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:22,460
out I think that's the best metaphor of

1018
00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:25,250
it if you think about you know like a

1019
00:53:31,180 --> 00:53:27,800
like but also like through a fly's eye a

1020
00:53:33,970 --> 00:53:31,190
fly lens you know where a fly's eye has

1021
00:53:36,490 --> 00:53:33,980
you know thousands of little hexagonal

1022
00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:36,500
compartments but imagine that's your

1023
00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:38,300
my lens in your zooming out zooming out

1024
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:40,040
zooming out on that and you're learning

1025
00:53:45,130 --> 00:53:42,050
how to process more and more and more

1026
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:45,140
information all the time and that's been

1027
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:48,110
happening insanely quickly since well

1028
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:49,280
the whole of human history but

1029
00:53:53,350 --> 00:53:51,050
particularly since the dawn of the world

1030
00:53:55,150 --> 00:53:53,360
wide web when you think about when the

1031
00:53:57,220 --> 00:53:55,160
web first started you think about Lycos

1032
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,230
and Geocities and stuff like that now we

1033
00:54:02,130 --> 00:53:58,880
have a eyes and big data and machine

1034
00:54:05,140 --> 00:54:02,140
learning and VR and all of this and

1035
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:05,150
humanity is getting better and better at

1036
00:54:09,370 --> 00:54:07,610
processing more and more information and

1037
00:54:13,660 --> 00:54:09,380
that's great one of the things that

1038
00:54:16,540 --> 00:54:13,670
Timothy Leary said in the 80s is if you

1039
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,550
want to get more intelligent learn to

1040
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:18,800
consume more and more information as

1041
00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:21,110
much as possible and from more and more

1042
00:54:26,010 --> 00:54:23,870
a few points that you don't agree with

1043
00:54:28,930 --> 00:54:26,020
that you normally wouldn't look into

1044
00:54:31,060 --> 00:54:28,940
that's how human beings get smarter and

1045
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:31,070
it's also how how AI gets smarter it's

1046
00:54:35,140 --> 00:54:32,570
how machine learning gets smarter by

1047
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:35,150
processing more information so I'm an

1048
00:54:39,730 --> 00:54:37,850
optimist I think that we're we're I mean

1049
00:54:41,350 --> 00:54:39,740
even a basic example is look at

1050
00:54:42,910 --> 00:54:41,360
something like at a very very basic

1051
00:54:45,010 --> 00:54:42,920
level and this is now very old

1052
00:54:46,990 --> 00:54:45,020
technology but look at something like

1053
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:47,000
reddit you know read it's been around

1054
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:49,010
for more than 10 years but look at how

1055
00:54:53,860 --> 00:54:50,930
the up voting system and reddit has

1056
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:53,870
allowed people to better process and

1057
00:55:00,550 --> 00:54:57,170
sort good information from bad you know

1058
00:55:04,570 --> 00:55:00,560
if it's used correctly so yeah the sort

1059
00:55:07,060 --> 00:55:04,580
the sort happens for you and that and

1060
00:55:08,670 --> 00:55:07,070
and you know and especially the larger

1061
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:08,680
the number they're going to be able to

1062
00:55:14,170 --> 00:55:12,170
well discernment as part of it but the

1063
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:14,180
bad information is not going to you know

1064
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:16,310
filter through it's it's going to get

1065
00:55:23,170 --> 00:55:20,450
down voted and and the the real stuff

1066
00:55:23,950 --> 00:55:23,180
will tend to to come through I agree

1067
00:55:26,650 --> 00:55:23,960
with you there

1068
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:26,660
but there's another part of it for me

1069
00:55:33,970 --> 00:55:31,850
that I think is and it's more biological

1070
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:33,980
that is even more frightening is that

1071
00:55:40,750 --> 00:55:37,910
we're using our brains less okay we're

1072
00:55:44,020 --> 00:55:40,760
depending on everything else to do the

1073
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,030
thinking for us so the exercise of the

1074
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:46,400
brain and the development of the brain

1075
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:49,130
is starting to go backwards and for the

1076
00:55:53,140 --> 00:55:49,760
first

1077
00:55:55,570 --> 00:55:53,150
in in history our brains are smaller

1078
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:55,580
today than they used to be physically

1079
00:56:01,180 --> 00:55:58,130
and that just is that true yeah that's

1080
00:56:04,810 --> 00:56:01,190
true that's true yeah I don't I don't I

1081
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:04,820
don't dissing phone well but but what

1082
00:56:09,010 --> 00:56:06,710
was the what was the source of that and

1083
00:56:12,340 --> 00:56:09,020
is that a causation and correlation or

1084
00:56:14,380 --> 00:56:12,350
correlation yeah and and and so in the

1085
00:56:16,750 --> 00:56:14,390
white paper and I'll send it to you okay

1086
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so you can check it out

1087
00:56:21,970 --> 00:56:19,520
it it what it stated is this we

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00:56:24,250 --> 00:56:21,980
exercised we exercised our right we

1089
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remembered numbers we remembered faces

1090
00:56:29,140 --> 00:56:25,760
remembered facts we remember

1091
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:29,150
conversations we we didn't have the

1092
00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:31,130
ability to have everything else think

1093
00:56:38,290 --> 00:56:36,470
for us today if you want to find a

1094
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:38,300
location for something you look it up

1095
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:40,130
you don't even learn the directions the

1096
00:56:46,930 --> 00:56:42,650
directions are given to you right but

1097
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:46,940
whatever it is you go and and find the

1098
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:49,610
information you don't actually go and

1099
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:51,770
get it and store it and remember it it's

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00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:54,410
all given to you and it's that way

1101
00:57:00,430 --> 00:56:57,200
across the board it's that way in school

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00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,440
today everything is taught everything is

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00:57:06,790 --> 00:57:02,960
taught on a laptop or a tablet today

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00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:06,800
I mean it's every student nobody today

1105
00:57:12,550 --> 00:57:09,520
they don't even teach writing in school

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00:57:14,290 --> 00:57:12,560
you know that's that's oh and when my

1107
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:14,300
daughters went through that they can

1108
00:57:22,090 --> 00:57:19,970
barely write today well you know and and

1109
00:57:24,210 --> 00:57:22,100
so think about that so the development

1110
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:24,220
of the brain doesn't have to develop

1111
00:57:30,430 --> 00:57:27,440
right and that's the other scary part

1112
00:57:32,410 --> 00:57:30,440
here where are we going to be are we

1113
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:32,420
gonna plug into our brains in a hundred

1114
00:57:38,770 --> 00:57:36,650
years right right I mean this touches on

1115
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:38,780
a broader issue also which is the idea

1116
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:40,850
of automation which is particularly

1117
00:57:45,340 --> 00:57:42,640
within the next ten years

1118
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:45,350
most of what human beings have been

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00:57:52,090 --> 00:57:49,730
necessary had been necessary to fulfill

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00:57:54,430 --> 00:57:52,100
will be fulfilled by machines whether

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00:57:57,550 --> 00:57:54,440
that's physical machines or algorithms

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00:58:00,610 --> 00:57:57,560
or a eyes I mean we're looking at at

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00:58:02,930 --> 00:58:00,620
least 50 percent potentially as high as

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00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:02,940
80 or 90 percent structural and

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00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:05,700
employment once AI really starts rolling

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00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:06,720
out

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00:58:10,579 --> 00:58:08,520
I mean we're quickly getting into a

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00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:10,589
future where humans just aren't gonna be

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00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:13,369
necessary or at least that's the view of

1130
00:58:18,020 --> 00:58:15,690
certainly the view of you know the

1131
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:18,030
people in power perhaps what do I do

1132
00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:20,880
with all the spare time what did we do

1133
00:58:26,059 --> 00:58:22,800
with that did we just go to school

1134
00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:26,069
vacation or do we differ crochet yeah

1135
00:58:29,780 --> 00:58:26,760
crochet

1136
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,790
well my here's my honest answer a lot of

1137
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:31,920
this is really the key right because

1138
00:58:37,069 --> 00:58:34,170
let's say okay best-case scenario for

1139
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:37,079
this is that here's the best-case

1140
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:38,640
scenario and it's certainly not the only

1141
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:40,050
way this could you know best-case

1142
00:58:45,490 --> 00:58:44,310
scenario is AI and automation yes causes

1143
00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:45,500
this amount of structural unemployment

1144
00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:49,020
but we also get universal basic income

1145
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:53,310
and at that point then well I mean let's

1146
00:58:57,050 --> 00:58:54,510
look at this I mean this is what people

1147
00:58:58,819 --> 00:58:57,060
have wanted for hundreds of years nobody

1148
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:58,829
likes going to their job you know for

1149
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,359
the most part people don't like working

1150
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:02,400
nobody likes working in fields and

1151
00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:06,180
things like that so and this has been

1152
00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:08,460
the promise of Technology since you know

1153
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:10,440
certainly since the industrial era since

1154
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:12,329
the invention of the washing machine

1155
00:59:17,690 --> 00:59:14,760
this type of thing so best-case scenario

1156
00:59:19,819 --> 00:59:17,700
you know in a perfect world would be

1157
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:19,829
that you know human beings get to

1158
00:59:27,470 --> 00:59:23,569
dedicate their time to artistic pursuits

1159
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:27,480
spirituality meditation all the finer

1160
00:59:31,339 --> 00:59:29,730
parts of being alive socializing

1161
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:31,349
interacting with their families and

1162
00:59:36,620 --> 00:59:33,540
their extended families forming social

1163
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:36,630
groups enjoying life I mean that would

1164
00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:39,569
be great that said that's such a

1165
00:59:45,290 --> 00:59:42,420
gigantic shock for Humanity to go into

1166
00:59:48,130 --> 00:59:45,300
suddenly not having a role and we know

1167
00:59:51,470 --> 00:59:48,140
that when people feel like they're not

1168
00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:51,480
important and that we know that when

1169
00:59:55,339 --> 00:59:53,160
people when meaning is taken away from

1170
00:59:57,290 --> 00:59:55,349
people that their life no longer means

1171
00:59:58,849 --> 00:59:57,300
anything that that's kind of the worst

1172
01:00:00,620 --> 00:59:58,859
thing you can do to somebody it's

1173
01:00:02,510 --> 01:00:00,630
certainly worse than physical pain

1174
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:02,520
she looks certainly worse than suffering

1175
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:05,310
human beings can rationalize and cope

1176
01:00:09,770 --> 01:00:07,890
with almost any level of suffering as

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01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:09,780
long as that it means something to them

1178
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:11,970
and they can cut as long as it's

1179
01:00:16,750 --> 01:00:14,330
meaningful in the sense that they can

1180
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:16,760
have a story about why it's happened and

1181
01:00:21,820 --> 01:00:19,520
why it's necessary human beings are very

1182
01:00:23,770 --> 01:00:21,830
very good at constructing meaning for

1183
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:23,780
themselves and for other people but if

1184
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:25,760
you take that away and then you say well

1185
01:00:30,790 --> 01:00:27,530
you know humans are just biomass

1186
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:30,800
essentially you know my great fear is

1187
01:00:36,340 --> 01:00:34,370
the 21st century could be a century of

1188
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:36,350
rolling genocides and if you're the

1189
01:00:41,590 --> 01:00:38,510
worst beginning to see the the start of

1190
01:00:43,180 --> 01:00:41,600
it right now frankly with some of the

1191
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,190
things that are happening in America and

1192
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:45,440
happening at the border and also in

1193
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:49,130
Europe well you know there's a I've got

1194
01:00:52,060 --> 01:00:50,510
to take a break here but there's another

1195
01:00:54,670 --> 01:00:52,070
thought that comes to mind with all of

1196
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:54,680
that you know so you get called into the

1197
01:00:58,930 --> 01:00:57,530
boss's office right okay you've been

1198
01:01:01,930 --> 01:00:58,940
replaced by a robot

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01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:01,940
what the good news is you get to keep

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01:01:07,330 --> 01:01:04,610
your money we're gonna keep hanging you

1201
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:07,340
but but you're free you can leave I

1202
01:01:12,940 --> 01:01:09,530
don't want to leave I like my job

1203
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:12,950
no what am I gonna do to go learn to

1204
01:01:18,420 --> 01:01:14,810
paint I don't want to learn the pain I

1205
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:18,430
like what I do here what do you mean and

1206
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:21,050
you're taking away just like you said

1207
01:01:28,660 --> 01:01:24,530
somebody's you know meaning you know

1208
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:28,670
they enjoy and suddenly the other part

1209
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:31,760
yeah okay spirituality meditation the

1210
01:01:37,630 --> 01:01:35,210
arts traveling seeing the world going

1211
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:37,640
back to school learning you know that

1212
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:40,640
that will only last for so long but the

1213
01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:42,770
other part is it gives you more time to

1214
01:01:51,580 --> 01:01:49,460
surf the net you know I think about it

1215
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:51,590
it's pretty bizarre now you brought up

1216
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,410
some numbers and I want to go back to

1217
01:01:59,050 --> 01:01:55,760
this because we're gonna talk about this

1218
01:02:02,800 --> 01:01:59,060
moment we come back I I did a report

1219
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:02,810
last month now went and gathered all of

1220
01:02:11,590 --> 01:02:07,570
the numbers for Facebook Google and

1221
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:11,600
YouTube the big three between the three

1222
01:02:19,770 --> 01:02:16,310
of them they tap into exactly half of

1223
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:19,780
the world's population half right half

1224
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:23,710
three and a half billion people every

1225
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:26,970
single day on this planet

1226
01:02:33,590 --> 01:02:30,960
visit one of those three sites now and

1227
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:33,600
then while they are on one of the three

1228
01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:36,480
and a half billion right and and and

1229
01:02:41,060 --> 01:02:38,790
then they go through a cycle in that

1230
01:02:42,830 --> 01:02:41,070
they're on Facebook they see a video

1231
01:02:45,290 --> 01:02:42,840
they click on that they go over to

1232
01:02:47,780 --> 01:02:45,300
YouTube it's already inside right of

1233
01:02:49,610 --> 01:02:47,790
Facebook they go over to YouTube they

1234
01:02:51,140 --> 01:02:49,620
watch a YouTube video they see something

1235
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:51,150
inside of the video they go and they

1236
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:53,730
search that on Google Google gives them

1237
01:02:58,430 --> 01:02:56,310
a video suggestion they go back to

1238
01:03:01,580 --> 01:02:58,440
YouTube and then go back to to Facebook

1239
01:03:06,370 --> 01:03:01,590
and wrap up the day it's it's the most

1240
01:03:09,770 --> 01:03:06,380
perfect ingenious cycle right this

1241
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:09,780
money-making clicking machine and and

1242
01:03:17,660 --> 01:03:13,520
they have in a very short what and and

1243
01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:17,670
realistically speaking ten years in ten

1244
01:03:23,390 --> 01:03:20,700
years and and they've done this and if

1245
01:03:25,580 --> 01:03:23,400
you go back 10 years ago and you look at

1246
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:25,590
the search engines that were around that

1247
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:27,480
are now running at one percent of the

1248
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:29,730
Internet today whereas you know Google

1249
01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:32,010
is 80 percent and then go back to things

1250
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:34,830
like Mozilla you know being who uses

1251
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:40,770
Bing who uses Bing nobody it's a crazy

1252
01:03:46,970 --> 01:03:43,410
numbers crunching thing and they've got

1253
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:46,980
it down to the piers of science right

1254
01:03:51,260 --> 01:03:48,690
the other thing also is that all that

1255
01:03:53,780 --> 01:03:51,270
clicking is is training is currently

1256
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:53,790
training the ai's of these big companies

1257
01:03:58,850 --> 01:03:56,640
so it also serves that function human

1258
01:04:00,440 --> 01:03:58,860
beings anyone interacting with the

1259
01:04:04,310 --> 01:04:00,450
internet right now whether it's Facebook

1260
01:04:06,980 --> 01:04:04,320
Google your Amazon device anything like

1261
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:06,990
that and you know any time you're online

1262
01:04:11,810 --> 01:04:09,890
your activity is helping to train

1263
01:04:14,270 --> 01:04:11,820
machine learning for these companies

1264
01:04:16,820 --> 01:04:14,280
you're training their a is you know so

1265
01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:16,830
we'll talk about that too yeah we'll

1266
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,420
talk about that when we come back this

1267
01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:20,160
is fade to black I'm your host Jimmy

1268
01:04:25,340 --> 01:04:22,380
church our guest tonight Jason Louvre

1269
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:25,350
and tonight we are talking technology

1270
01:04:31,850 --> 01:04:29,910
all of it we're gonna do a our AI how it

1271
01:04:33,380 --> 01:04:31,860
controls you today and what is it going

1272
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:33,390
to do for you in the future you're gonna

1273
01:04:37,700 --> 01:04:34,890
do all of that this is fade to black

1274
01:04:40,450 --> 01:04:37,710
Admirals Timmy Church more we're chasing

1275
01:05:03,079 --> 01:04:40,460
after this short break stay with us

1276
01:05:07,049 --> 01:05:05,160
this is fade to black

1277
01:05:10,740 --> 01:05:07,059
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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01:05:15,210 --> 01:05:10,750
radio network and K GRA the global radio

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[Music]

1341
01:08:36,910 --> 01:08:35,000
welcome back fade to black come here

1342
01:08:40,530 --> 01:08:36,920
Jimmy Church our guest tonight Jason Liu

1343
01:08:43,809 --> 01:08:40,540
and we are talking tech all of it

1344
01:08:45,490 --> 01:08:43,819
tomorrow night Tracy Garvin gets into

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introduced to the world you're not gonna

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want to miss that show tomorrow night

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01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:49,699
Thursday night will be open lines all

1348
01:08:55,470 --> 01:08:52,310
night long and you know Jason one of

1349
01:08:57,700 --> 01:08:55,480
these nights one of these Fator nights

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01:09:00,370 --> 01:08:57,710
you're gonna come in and man the phones

1351
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:00,380
with me I want you to just just just

1352
01:09:07,899 --> 01:09:03,770
hang out here and and take phone calls I

1353
01:09:10,510 --> 01:09:07,909
would love to have you experience the

1354
01:09:12,519 --> 01:09:10,520
interaction because the questions will

1355
01:09:13,689 --> 01:09:12,529
be just amazing I'm doing my best

1356
01:09:15,340 --> 01:09:13,699
tonight

1357
01:09:17,050 --> 01:09:15,350
for the audience to get these in

1358
01:09:20,140 --> 01:09:17,060
correctly but I think that would be a

1359
01:09:23,229 --> 01:09:20,150
very dynamic evening imitation is open

1360
01:09:28,209 --> 01:09:23,239
so I want to talk to you about AI

1361
01:09:29,530 --> 01:09:28,219
because a couple of weeks ago I'm gonna

1362
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:29,540
give you the short version of the story

1363
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:31,369
a couple of weeks ago something happened

1364
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:34,250
I then went public with it I went

1365
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:36,409
straight over to coast to coast am and

1366
01:09:40,030 --> 01:09:38,719
and and and told the world about what

1367
01:09:42,220 --> 01:09:40,040
happened I did it here I'm fade to black

1368
01:09:45,249 --> 01:09:42,230
I wrote up an article about it and and

1369
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:45,259
published that too as well and the

1370
01:09:51,459 --> 01:09:48,290
reactions that I got from everybody was

1371
01:09:52,959 --> 01:09:51,469
astounding and this is what happened

1372
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:52,969
other words the reaction was yeah it

1373
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:54,770
happened to me today it happened to me

1374
01:09:58,750 --> 01:09:55,369
yesterday

1375
01:10:02,410 --> 01:09:58,760
and this is what happened let me start

1376
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:02,420
off with Jason I am NOT a photography

1377
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:06,770
guy okay I've got a camera on my iPhone

1378
01:10:12,939 --> 01:10:10,610
that's good enough okay I don't I don't

1379
01:10:14,919 --> 01:10:12,949
shop for cameras I'm not I'm not a

1380
01:10:16,930 --> 01:10:14,929
photography buff I don't have cameras

1381
01:10:19,419 --> 01:10:16,940
I've never clicked on anything on Amazon

1382
01:10:22,330 --> 01:10:19,429
I've never searched for it never done it

1383
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:22,340
it's just not my gig I'm an audio guy

1384
01:10:26,140 --> 01:10:23,510
you and I talked about that earlier

1385
01:10:30,490 --> 01:10:26,150
right I'm an audio guy okay so that

1386
01:10:33,850 --> 01:10:30,500
being said a friend of mine buys some

1387
01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:33,860
very expensive camera gear video and

1388
01:10:39,220 --> 01:10:36,409
photography gear and some lenses and he

1389
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:39,230
showed them to me a few weeks ago and

1390
01:10:45,700 --> 01:10:43,360
then I was talking to my AV guy and

1391
01:10:49,930 --> 01:10:45,710
briefly on the phone

1392
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:49,940
on a Saturday morning briefly told him

1393
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:53,600
about the gear you know it was a $10,000

1394
01:10:59,800 --> 01:10:56,690
body with a $10,000 lens and another

1395
01:11:02,800 --> 01:10:59,810
$20,000 lens you know 4k thing and and

1396
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:02,810
and I had this conversation the next day

1397
01:11:09,790 --> 01:11:07,250
on Sunday morning I get up and I'm

1398
01:11:15,970 --> 01:11:09,800
checking the news and you know my myself

1399
01:11:18,220 --> 01:11:15,980
and right there is an ad on the Internet

1400
01:11:23,050 --> 01:11:18,230
not on Facebook yet I didn't get there

1401
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:23,060
for camera bodies and then and so that

1402
01:11:28,180 --> 01:11:24,800
kind of tripped me out I stopped and I

1403
01:11:30,460 --> 01:11:28,190
thought why would that be there and then

1404
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:30,470
I jumped to another website and there is

1405
01:11:43,150 --> 01:11:40,370
an ad for a camera lens a lens whoa hold

1406
01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:43,160
on a minute I've never served

1407
01:11:48,700 --> 01:11:45,710
I've never clicked I've never done

1408
01:11:51,250 --> 01:11:48,710
anything in that realm I only had that

1409
01:11:55,090 --> 01:11:51,260
brief three-minute conversation on the

1410
01:11:57,490 --> 01:11:55,100
phone yep that's right yep and and last

1411
01:12:00,010 --> 01:11:57,500
month when Zuckerberg got up in front of

1412
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:00,020
Congress in the Senate one of the

1413
01:12:04,660 --> 01:12:02,090
representatives said to him I'm sure

1414
01:12:08,260 --> 01:12:04,670
that you caught this but ask him he said

1415
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:08,270
you know my staff wanted me to ask you

1416
01:12:15,130 --> 01:12:12,170
about their conversations getting heard

1417
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:15,140
on their phones because what they talk

1418
01:12:20,290 --> 01:12:17,920
about in private is turning up in

1419
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:20,300
advertising when they know that they

1420
01:12:24,250 --> 01:12:22,130
haven't clicked or done anything they've

1421
01:12:26,860 --> 01:12:24,260
only had these weird conversations and

1422
01:12:30,450 --> 01:12:26,870
this stuff pops up are you listening to

1423
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:30,460
conversations and using that to tailor

1424
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:35,170
advertising and Zuckerberg said no oh

1425
01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:38,330
right well that's clearly untrue I think

1426
01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:40,520
that so that's like so yeah the way that

1427
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:43,310
works by the way is if you want that if

1428
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:45,770
you I'm fairly certain that if you want

1429
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:47,840
that to stop happening delete facebook

1430
01:12:51,580 --> 01:12:50,090
Messenger from your phone I believe

1431
01:12:55,150 --> 01:12:51,590
that's the app that has voice

1432
01:12:57,340 --> 01:12:55,160
recognition and and it has all kinds of

1433
01:12:59,080 --> 01:12:57,350
scary stuff in the terms that people

1434
01:13:00,729 --> 01:12:59,090
agree to and they download that

1435
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:00,739
but not the actual Facebook app or the

1436
01:13:07,180 --> 01:13:03,290
messenger app so but that's fair I mean

1437
01:13:08,859 --> 01:13:07,190
all they have to do is is Minh you turn

1438
01:13:10,810 --> 01:13:08,869
on facebook Messenger you give it access

1439
01:13:12,700 --> 01:13:10,820
to your microphone so that you can call

1440
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:12,710
people through it you can then turn on

1441
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:15,650
your microphone it's very easy just to

1442
01:13:20,620 --> 01:13:17,570
get a voice you know voice recognition

1443
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:20,630
and then the voice recognition voice

1444
01:13:26,169 --> 01:13:24,770
does text can then be looked at by you

1445
01:13:28,930 --> 01:13:26,179
know some type of machine learning thing

1446
01:13:31,870 --> 01:13:28,940
or can can you can trigger certain key

1447
01:13:34,540 --> 01:13:31,880
words and then all that happens is your

1448
01:13:37,359 --> 01:13:34,550
Facebook account is now tagged as having

1449
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:37,369
an interest in that subject anybody

1450
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:39,650
including individual Facebook marketers

1451
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:41,449
not just big companies anybody you can

1452
01:13:46,450 --> 01:13:43,040
get into the backend of Facebook and

1453
01:13:48,459 --> 01:13:46,460
that target people with that interest

1454
01:13:50,290 --> 01:13:48,469
and they can also be retargeted around

1455
01:13:53,589 --> 01:13:50,300
the web because if you have somebody's

1456
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:53,599
facebook ad or address or accounts you

1457
01:13:58,570 --> 01:13:55,810
very likely had can have access to

1458
01:14:00,520 --> 01:13:58,580
Google their email address things like

1459
01:14:02,830 --> 01:14:00,530
that and then their email can be used to

1460
01:14:06,459 --> 01:14:02,840
target you know Google Adsense will

1461
01:14:08,740 --> 01:14:06,469
target ads to you wherever you go on the

1462
01:14:11,709 --> 01:14:08,750
web because all those ads are run by the

1463
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:11,719
same system at Google is that about the

1464
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:16,130
scariest part of this in that the amount

1465
01:14:20,859 --> 01:14:18,170
of data collection through voice

1466
01:14:24,189 --> 01:14:20,869
recognition like that has got to be

1467
01:14:30,580 --> 01:14:24,199
ginormous is it's a ridiculous amount of

1468
01:14:33,370 --> 01:14:30,590
science behind that to use spoken word

1469
01:14:37,780 --> 01:14:33,380
convert the subject matter into a

1470
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:37,790
general interest in that oh this person

1471
01:14:43,300 --> 01:14:41,050
is going to buy one of these things

1472
01:14:45,370 --> 01:14:43,310
that's right that's right I mean when

1473
01:14:47,470 --> 01:14:45,380
you think about let's talk about the NSA

1474
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:47,480
you know the NSA it does the same thing

1475
01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:49,730
collects voice data from everywhere all

1476
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:51,830
over the world and just to store that

1477
01:14:55,570 --> 01:14:53,570
data they have data centers around the

1478
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:55,580
world one of the most famous is in and

1479
01:15:00,220 --> 01:14:57,770
believe the desert in Utah somewhere or

1480
01:15:02,500 --> 01:15:00,230
Nevada Salt Lake City yes all like say

1481
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:02,510
okay it's that gigantic data center I

1482
01:15:07,149 --> 01:15:04,730
don't know where where data or Facebook

1483
01:15:09,550 --> 01:15:07,159
and the other ones keep their data but

1484
01:15:11,770 --> 01:15:09,560
you know 10 years ago when people first

1485
01:15:12,850 --> 01:15:11,780
started becoming aware of the level of

1486
01:15:14,740 --> 01:15:12,860
surveillance that was

1487
01:15:17,260 --> 01:15:14,750
possible particularly would be when the

1488
01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:17,270
Snowden thing happened one of the things

1489
01:15:22,150 --> 01:15:19,490
that people were saying was well look

1490
01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:22,160
you know I'm not nobody's okay maybe

1491
01:15:25,180 --> 01:15:23,510
they're doing that but nobody cares

1492
01:15:27,250 --> 01:15:25,190
about me and who's gonna sort through

1493
01:15:29,470 --> 01:15:27,260
all that data anyways they would have to

1494
01:15:31,780 --> 01:15:29,480
pay one person they would like have to

1495
01:15:33,340 --> 01:15:31,790
assign one human being to every human

1496
01:15:34,450 --> 01:15:33,350
being that's being that's on the

1497
01:15:37,060 --> 01:15:34,460
internet it's like he's just not

1498
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:37,070
possible so the assumption was that it

1499
01:15:41,170 --> 01:15:39,170
was just gonna be unusable data but

1500
01:15:43,180 --> 01:15:41,180
that's no longer the case because with

1501
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:43,190
graphics cards and machine learning it's

1502
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:47,570
quite easy to just run an algorithm that

1503
01:15:52,890 --> 01:15:49,760
processes all of that data and then

1504
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:52,900
comes back with information on

1505
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:55,130
individuals it can do predictive

1506
01:15:59,860 --> 01:15:57,290
analysis that can do things like the

1507
01:16:01,690 --> 01:15:59,870
movie Minority Report I'm positive that

1508
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:01,700
there are already machine learning

1509
01:16:04,990 --> 01:16:03,410
learning algorithms that can go through

1510
01:16:07,060 --> 01:16:05,000
all of the collected data on an

1511
01:16:09,670 --> 01:16:07,070
individual and then predict not only

1512
01:16:11,620 --> 01:16:09,680
their future buying patterns but what

1513
01:16:14,020 --> 01:16:11,630
they're how they're likely to vote how

1514
01:16:16,270 --> 01:16:14,030
they're are likely to you know whether

1515
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:16,280
they're potentially dangerous or not

1516
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:18,320
you know Google is we're now working on

1517
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:21,290
a an algorithm that will pretty

1518
01:16:24,940 --> 01:16:22,970
effectively predict when somebody's

1519
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:24,950
gonna die that can be used for medical

1520
01:16:29,950 --> 01:16:26,810
medical insurance reasons things like

1521
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:29,960
that so people don't understand people

1522
01:16:33,370 --> 01:16:31,520
really need to understand what's

1523
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:33,380
happening right now which is that yes

1524
01:16:37,060 --> 01:16:35,450
all okay the thing that people are aware

1525
01:16:39,310 --> 01:16:37,070
of is that all this data has been

1526
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:39,320
collected well the second thing they

1527
01:16:43,390 --> 01:16:41,090
need to be aware of is that it's going

1528
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:43,400
to be processed and it can be processed

1529
01:16:51,460 --> 01:16:45,770
not by human beings but by algorithms

1530
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:51,470
and AIS as they currently exist it's a

1531
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:52,970
bit of a misnomer because they're not

1532
01:16:57,610 --> 01:16:55,010
actually intelligence is that what a

1533
01:17:00,100 --> 01:16:57,620
eyes are right now are essentially

1534
01:17:02,020 --> 01:17:00,110
algorithms that are possibly are capable

1535
01:17:04,330 --> 01:17:02,030
of processing gigantic amounts of

1536
01:17:05,650 --> 01:17:04,340
information and coming back with useful

1537
01:17:08,890 --> 01:17:05,660
data from it mm-hmm

1538
01:17:11,230 --> 01:17:08,900
and so machine learning algorithms can

1539
01:17:13,330 --> 01:17:11,240
quite it first of all can go through all

1540
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:13,340
of that and pull out the information

1541
01:17:19,150 --> 01:17:16,880
that the people who own them want very

1542
01:17:20,830 --> 01:17:19,160
quickly and easily even if they're going

1543
01:17:22,990 --> 01:17:20,840
through petabytes and petabytes of

1544
01:17:26,050 --> 01:17:23,000
information you know relatively quickly

1545
01:17:26,350 --> 01:17:26,060
so the other thing is that that amount

1546
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:26,360
of

1547
01:17:32,050 --> 01:17:30,320
is needed in order to train a is its

1548
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:32,060
it's no mistake that all this data has

1549
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:33,770
been collected because that data is

1550
01:17:39,790 --> 01:17:36,650
necessary to train thinking machines

1551
01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:39,800
they need all of that to learn from I

1552
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:44,030
had a very interesting email I got so

1553
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:47,170
much of it after I spoke about this and

1554
01:17:55,390 --> 01:17:50,570
one of them I'm gonna paraphrase and and

1555
01:17:59,410 --> 01:17:55,400
and shorten it up but it was a two women

1556
01:18:03,130 --> 01:17:59,420
in a kitchen talking about a distant

1557
01:18:06,940 --> 01:18:03,140
relative who just had a baby okay that's

1558
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:06,950
that's it nothing that was a direct

1559
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:10,970
family member but they talked about the

1560
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:13,520
baby in that it was a girl and and then

1561
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:15,050
that was it

1562
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:18,560
but this lady said the next day now and

1563
01:18:25,090 --> 01:18:22,370
and she said very clearly this wasn't a

1564
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:25,100
direct you know family member it wasn't

1565
01:18:28,540 --> 01:18:26,690
anything that was on the internet it

1566
01:18:30,730 --> 01:18:28,550
wasn't anything that was sent to us or

1567
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:30,740
anything it was just a very brief

1568
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:33,530
conversation in the kitchen the next day

1569
01:18:41,140 --> 01:18:37,970
I've got baby girl clothes advertising

1570
01:18:45,010 --> 01:18:41,150
all over right yeah and she said it had

1571
01:18:48,370 --> 01:18:45,020
to have come from either our smart

1572
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:48,380
television or our smart refrigerator

1573
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:50,210
that's what they were thinking well yes

1574
01:18:55,180 --> 01:18:52,730
so those are well known to be mass

1575
01:18:57,970 --> 01:18:55,190
particularly Smart TVs or well known to

1576
01:19:00,250 --> 01:18:57,980
be security nightmares right yeah I

1577
01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:00,260
think that the new Xbox also was

1578
01:19:04,690 --> 01:19:02,630
revealed to be to either the Xbox of the

1579
01:19:08,110 --> 01:19:04,700
PlayStation and believe it was the Xbox

1580
01:19:11,500 --> 01:19:08,120
was revealed to be recording 24/7 the

1581
01:19:14,650 --> 01:19:11,510
mic never turns off huh so the whole

1582
01:19:16,330 --> 01:19:14,660
internet of things all of that stuff is

1583
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:16,340
a security nightmare both for data

1584
01:19:19,780 --> 01:19:18,410
scraping and for for hacking I mean

1585
01:19:22,270 --> 01:19:19,790
there was a story just to give you an

1586
01:19:24,460 --> 01:19:22,280
example there was a story I think a

1587
01:19:27,670 --> 01:19:24,470
couple of months ago where a casino in

1588
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:27,680
Vegas had their Network hacked and some

1589
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:29,930
a tremendous amount of money was

1590
01:19:33,460 --> 01:19:32,210
extracted from it I may be getting this

1591
01:19:35,470 --> 01:19:33,470
ROM and this is how I remembering the

1592
01:19:38,230 --> 01:19:35,480
story but this part I'm sure of the way

1593
01:19:39,699 --> 01:19:38,240
that it was done was there was a Wi-Fi

1594
01:19:42,429 --> 01:19:39,709
connected thermometer

1595
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:42,439
in the aquarium the fish aquarium in the

1596
01:19:47,949 --> 01:19:45,679
lobby of the casino and the hackers just

1597
01:19:50,020 --> 01:19:47,959
like came in with a laptop got into you

1598
01:19:52,089 --> 01:19:50,030
know that was not password protected or

1599
01:19:53,739 --> 01:19:52,099
was flimsily password protected they

1600
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:53,749
hacked the thermometer and from that

1601
01:19:59,560 --> 01:19:56,239
were able to get into the network of the

1602
01:20:01,239 --> 01:19:59,570
entire casino so people really I mean

1603
01:20:03,069 --> 01:20:01,249
the internet of things as John McAfee

1604
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:03,079
has pointed out a few times it's just a

1605
01:20:07,149 --> 01:20:04,729
you know it's a disaster waiting to

1606
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:07,159
happen but yes absolutely and they've

1607
01:20:11,109 --> 01:20:09,110
shown that they've absolutely shown that

1608
01:20:14,169 --> 01:20:11,119
like Samsung Smart TVs and things like

1609
01:20:15,429 --> 01:20:14,179
that have you know allegedly I don't

1610
01:20:17,919 --> 01:20:15,439
want to Sam something to get mad at me

1611
01:20:21,069 --> 01:20:17,929
but uh you know Smart TVs in general

1612
01:20:23,979 --> 01:20:21,079
have you know are listening they're you

1613
01:20:25,929 --> 01:20:23,989
know and it's it's a you know we're

1614
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:25,939
voluntarily walking into it you know and

1615
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:27,679
I own smart devices and things like that

1616
01:20:34,569 --> 01:20:31,010
so I've got a lack tape over everything

1617
01:20:37,359 --> 01:20:34,579
now man it's so funny over anything

1618
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:37,369
that's got a camera any laptop that's

1619
01:20:41,109 --> 01:20:38,090
got a camera

1620
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:41,119
I've got tape on it microphones covered

1621
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:45,130
you know I just I it's it's weird how I

1622
01:20:52,839 --> 01:20:48,800
just don't know and and most of it

1623
01:20:55,179 --> 01:20:52,849
you're clicking on I accept right right

1624
01:20:57,250 --> 01:20:55,189
right right right and and I said I said

1625
01:21:01,209 --> 01:20:57,260
at one point on Twitter I think it's you

1626
01:21:04,299 --> 01:21:01,219
know our freedom is surrendered one one

1627
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:04,309
one privacy policy accepted at a time

1628
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:07,070
you know like we bit by bit we give our

1629
01:21:11,739 --> 01:21:08,570
freedom away to these terms and

1630
01:21:15,279 --> 01:21:11,749
conditions that we we we sign off on now

1631
01:21:18,910 --> 01:21:15,289
what do we where are we right now with

1632
01:21:22,569 --> 01:21:18,920
AI you know the big word certainly two

1633
01:21:26,049 --> 01:21:22,579
years ago was singularity and and you

1634
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:26,059
know these dates were thrown around you

1635
01:21:31,629 --> 01:21:28,610
know by Ray Kurzweil and Elon and and

1636
01:21:37,419 --> 01:21:31,639
others Kurzweil was saying it could be

1637
01:21:39,879 --> 01:21:37,429
as soon as 2018 but where are we with

1638
01:21:43,419 --> 01:21:39,889
that do we have something to really fear

1639
01:21:44,979 --> 01:21:43,429
here okay so well first of all my take

1640
01:21:46,629 --> 01:21:44,989
on this thing I think the singularity is

1641
01:21:48,910 --> 01:21:46,639
marketing hype it was something that was

1642
01:21:51,310 --> 01:21:48,920
come up with the sell books and get on

1643
01:21:53,169 --> 01:21:51,320
shows and that type of thing I don't

1644
01:21:54,610 --> 01:21:53,179
think that that's a real thing

1645
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:54,620
whatever is actually gonna happen is

1646
01:21:59,950 --> 01:21:56,449
gonna be much more complicated in terms

1647
01:22:01,930 --> 01:21:59,960
of AI the thing about AI is that people

1648
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:01,940
don't understand what it actually is and

1649
01:22:06,130 --> 01:22:03,650
then of course they're gonna be afraid

1650
01:22:08,260 --> 01:22:06,140
of it if you look at articles about AI

1651
01:22:10,630 --> 01:22:08,270
online you always see kind of like stock

1652
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:10,640
for clipart from the Terminator movies

1653
01:22:14,530 --> 01:22:12,110
and all the robots are gonna come take

1654
01:22:17,919 --> 01:22:14,540
our jobs and kill us and then the

1655
01:22:19,899 --> 01:22:17,929
assumption is that an AI will be just

1656
01:22:21,970 --> 01:22:19,909
that it will be some type of machine

1657
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:21,980
that is sentient it thinks like a person

1658
01:22:26,770 --> 01:22:24,320
and can act like a person that's not

1659
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:26,780
what AI is certainly not yet

1660
01:22:33,820 --> 01:22:30,560
what AI actually is is math it's an AIS

1661
01:22:36,610 --> 01:22:33,830
are just their equations they're like

1662
01:22:40,060 --> 01:22:36,620
algorithms that as I mentioned can

1663
01:22:42,459 --> 01:22:40,070
process tremendous amount of data at a

1664
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:42,469
time and then come back with predictive

1665
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:47,210
analysis from it so for instance so

1666
01:22:52,330 --> 01:22:50,000
recently Google was yeah there was an

1667
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:52,340
article at the intercept where or Google

1668
01:22:58,330 --> 01:22:55,730
was it came into under some heat for

1669
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:58,340
creating they were they were I believe

1670
01:23:02,649 --> 01:23:00,320
getting the defense contracts to work

1671
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:02,659
with the military to do AI for drones

1672
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:05,449
and to develop machine learning for

1673
01:23:11,709 --> 01:23:09,650
drones so that they could better target

1674
01:23:14,110 --> 01:23:11,719
people by face so that the way the way

1675
01:23:16,090 --> 01:23:14,120
that works is all that is is that's an

1676
01:23:18,850 --> 01:23:16,100
you write an algorithm and then the

1677
01:23:22,270 --> 01:23:18,860
algorithm you give that the the

1678
01:23:25,660 --> 01:23:22,280
algorithm let's say scans of 1 million

1679
01:23:28,270 --> 01:23:25,670
faces and you tell it to look for

1680
01:23:29,919 --> 01:23:28,280
certain things and then if it has and it

1681
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:29,929
needs that much data it can't just be a

1682
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,489
small amount of data it needs to be data

1683
01:23:36,459 --> 01:23:33,199
on that level you know millions of

1684
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:36,469
pieces of data the the algorithm then

1685
01:23:41,290 --> 01:23:38,960
runs through what they call the training

1686
01:23:45,540 --> 01:23:41,300
it will train by looking at all that all

1687
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:45,550
that data and then it'll come back with

1688
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,290
you know it will then after training

1689
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:50,719
then be able to recognize what you tell

1690
01:23:54,729 --> 01:23:52,850
it to look for with you know in the you

1691
01:23:57,370 --> 01:23:54,739
know point nine nine percent accuracy or

1692
01:23:59,320 --> 01:23:57,380
something like that and this isn't hard

1693
01:24:00,939 --> 01:23:59,330
to do you know I've written AI programs

1694
01:24:02,530 --> 01:24:00,949
you know I've written in it you know

1695
01:24:05,530 --> 01:24:02,540
it's a very basic experiment that

1696
01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:05,540
anybody can do is you can write an AI

1697
01:24:09,380 --> 01:24:06,450
algorithm

1698
01:24:12,170 --> 01:24:09,390
that will analyze photos of handwriting

1699
01:24:14,270 --> 01:24:12,180
and then tell you what the letters and

1700
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:14,280
numbers are you know so you give it a

1701
01:24:19,820 --> 01:24:16,890
data set of let's say a million

1702
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:19,830
different sevens the number seven

1703
01:24:23,060 --> 01:24:21,570
written by a million different people

1704
01:24:26,210 --> 01:24:23,070
it's different versions of the number

1705
01:24:27,890 --> 01:24:26,220
seven it then trains on that data and

1706
01:24:30,590 --> 01:24:27,900
then it can tell you then you can show

1707
01:24:32,690 --> 01:24:30,600
it any seven handwritten in any way by

1708
01:24:34,580 --> 01:24:32,700
anybody and it will tell you it to a

1709
01:24:37,460 --> 01:24:34,590
certain you know Varick fraction of

1710
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:37,470
accuracy whether it's a seven or not so

1711
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,880
when we talk about doing these things

1712
01:24:42,170 --> 01:24:40,800
for military applications well then it's

1713
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:42,180
you know they want to be you know

1714
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:43,860
recognizing I don't know targets

1715
01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:45,810
interests in search insurgents things

1716
01:24:48,260 --> 01:24:46,500
like that

1717
01:24:49,820 --> 01:24:48,270
that's certainly shocking although

1718
01:24:52,490 --> 01:24:49,830
frankly I thought about that for a

1719
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:52,500
second and I thought well the real issue

1720
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:54,330
is not the technology the issue is the

1721
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:56,970
military program and one of the problems

1722
01:25:01,220 --> 01:24:58,560
with drone warfare is that it's been

1723
01:25:03,140 --> 01:25:01,230
notoriously inaccurate there's been so

1724
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:03,150
much collateral damage and the children

1725
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:04,770
killed and civilians and things like

1726
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:06,000
that so it's like I thought about that

1727
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:07,410
for a first I was shocked but then I was

1728
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:08,970
like wait I kind of want them to shoot

1729
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:11,370
accurately that's that's the best way to

1730
01:25:17,900 --> 01:25:13,110
do it

1731
01:25:19,850 --> 01:25:17,910
so so that's what AI actually is it's

1732
01:25:21,740 --> 01:25:19,860
just an algorithm they can process a

1733
01:25:24,140 --> 01:25:21,750
tremendous amount of data and then make

1734
01:25:26,030 --> 01:25:24,150
decisions based off of it it's not

1735
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:26,040
intelligent it's not sentient there's

1736
01:25:30,770 --> 01:25:27,840
nothing resembling a human being there

1737
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:30,780
now there is something called strong AI

1738
01:25:36,350 --> 01:25:33,810
which is the AI from science fiction the

1739
01:25:38,750 --> 01:25:36,360
idea that there will be a machine that

1740
01:25:40,670 --> 01:25:38,760
can think and reason like a human being

1741
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:40,680
and will be to all intents and purposes

1742
01:25:47,330 --> 01:25:43,440
a new life-form as of yet that's still

1743
01:25:49,010 --> 01:25:47,340
totally speculative that they don't have

1744
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:49,020
a sense of how it can actually be done

1745
01:25:53,810 --> 01:25:51,120
some people that predicted that it could

1746
01:25:56,570 --> 01:25:53,820
happen in the 2030s there's been a lot

1747
01:25:59,090 --> 01:25:56,580
of fear about it but the reality is that

1748
01:26:02,450 --> 01:25:59,100
it just hasn't happened yet and we don't

1749
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:02,460
know how to do it although if it does

1750
01:26:05,870 --> 01:26:04,290
happen it could happen overnight and we

1751
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:05,880
wouldn't even necessarily know they did

1752
01:26:10,130 --> 01:26:07,890
it happened yeah that's a scary part

1753
01:26:11,420 --> 01:26:10,140
right there you know it's one of the

1754
01:26:12,740 --> 01:26:11,430
many scary part it's the best book to

1755
01:26:14,990 --> 01:26:12,750
read about this by the way is called

1756
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:15,000
super intelligence by Nick Bostrom if

1757
01:26:18,050 --> 01:26:17,010
you really want to terrify yourself and

1758
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,060
never sleep again

1759
01:26:23,220 --> 01:26:20,320
right but frankly in terms of fear

1760
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:23,230
I think that in the in the real world

1761
01:26:29,490 --> 01:26:27,489
right now where we are it's it's not

1762
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:29,500
helpful to think about AI in science

1763
01:26:33,629 --> 01:26:31,570
fiction terms like Terminator or

1764
01:26:35,459 --> 01:26:33,639
or even you know some of the more

1765
01:26:37,319 --> 01:26:35,469
positive AI movies cuz that's just not

1766
01:26:41,569 --> 01:26:37,329
realistic it's not what AI actually is

1767
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:41,579
AI is just a learning algorithm and you

1768
01:26:46,410 --> 01:26:44,170
know even to call it intelligence is a

1769
01:26:49,290 --> 01:26:46,420
bit of a misnomer because it misnomer

1770
01:26:51,300 --> 01:26:49,300
because what it actually is is just the

1771
01:26:52,919 --> 01:26:51,310
next level of computing power it's it's

1772
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:52,929
it's it's computers that can now use

1773
01:26:57,330 --> 01:26:54,880
algorithms to read way more data than

1774
01:27:00,270 --> 01:26:57,340
they used to be able to and make in you

1775
01:27:03,450 --> 01:27:00,280
know draw actionable information from

1776
01:27:07,530 --> 01:27:03,460
that data that's really all it is and

1777
01:27:11,609 --> 01:27:07,540
and and that itself poses enough ethical

1778
01:27:16,740 --> 01:27:11,619
dilemmas such as bias and algorithms for

1779
01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:16,750
instance if algorithms you know if you

1780
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:18,790
know algorithms start to display biases

1781
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:21,130
and things like that and then we run

1782
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:23,770
into trouble but and then the next ethic

1783
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:25,690
you know the real pressing the really

1784
01:27:30,510 --> 01:27:28,239
pressing ethical issue is the job loss

1785
01:27:32,729 --> 01:27:30,520
to automation you know within the next

1786
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,739
few years the first thing that's going

1787
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:34,960
to be lost to automation is self is

1788
01:27:41,370 --> 01:27:38,050
truck drivers that all of that will be

1789
01:27:43,979 --> 01:27:41,380
all of it and I'm sorry but 100 percent

1790
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:43,989
of it will be replaced with automated

1791
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:46,000
intelligent trucks that are self-driving

1792
01:27:50,010 --> 01:27:48,159
all of that runs off machine learning

1793
01:27:52,859 --> 01:27:50,020
technology because machine learning can

1794
01:27:55,050 --> 01:27:52,869
be used to recognize stoplights and you

1795
01:27:56,970 --> 01:27:55,060
know when what you know how to drive how

1796
01:27:59,250 --> 01:27:56,980
to go on maps how to avoid accidents

1797
01:28:01,310 --> 01:27:59,260
things like that all the entire all

1798
01:28:04,830 --> 01:28:01,320
trucking is going to be automated and

1799
01:28:07,859 --> 01:28:04,840
truck driver is the number one job

1800
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:07,869
particularly for men in America it's the

1801
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:09,760
number one job all that's going to be

1802
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:11,170
gone and that's happening all right you

1803
01:28:15,930 --> 01:28:14,110
know it's gonna happen overnight and but

1804
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:15,940
but people think well I'm not a truck

1805
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:19,090
driver I'm safe ok well at first it's

1806
01:28:22,919 --> 01:28:21,130
gonna be manual labor you know we

1807
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:22,929
already look at Amazon's warehouse for

1808
01:28:28,379 --> 01:28:24,489
instance so much of the work at Amazon's

1809
01:28:29,939 --> 01:28:28,389
warehouse is done by robots and also by

1810
01:28:33,569 --> 01:28:29,949
help underpaid human beings and

1811
01:28:34,110 --> 01:28:33,579
overworked but blue call excuse me white

1812
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:34,120
collar

1813
01:28:40,740 --> 01:28:37,090
jobs are not safe from this lawyers in

1814
01:28:45,420 --> 01:28:40,750
particular law is going to be mediated

1815
01:28:48,810 --> 01:28:45,430
by algorithms learning algorithms a lot

1816
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:48,820
of medicine even journalism a lot of

1817
01:28:58,380 --> 01:28:53,730
journalism is going to be done by by

1818
01:29:00,960 --> 01:28:58,390
smart algorithms and what about talk

1819
01:29:03,450 --> 01:29:00,970
show hosts well did you see this thing

1820
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:03,460
that Google has just released this I

1821
01:29:06,750 --> 01:29:04,810
forget what it's called but this thing

1822
01:29:09,660 --> 01:29:06,760
that can do phone calls and make calls

1823
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:09,670
for you and it sounds 100% like a human

1824
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:11,890
being you can't tell that it's cannot

1825
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:17,040
not a human right so I mean you know and

1826
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:19,570
it's crazy when you think about it and

1827
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:22,810
then there's the other I mean the when

1828
01:29:28,050 --> 01:29:25,120
you think about the future but even

1829
01:29:30,930 --> 01:29:28,060
today that one episode of the x-files

1830
01:29:33,690 --> 01:29:30,940
and I hate to go and use the Hollywood

1831
01:29:36,350 --> 01:29:33,700
metaphor right I hate to do that but but

1832
01:29:38,220 --> 01:29:36,360
in this case it was really well done and

1833
01:29:42,230 --> 01:29:38,230
and I don't know if he caught the

1834
01:29:48,690 --> 01:29:42,240
episode but the episode was basically

1835
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:48,700
Mulder didn't tip ad at a automated

1836
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:52,210
sushi restaurant right he offended the

1837
01:30:01,940 --> 01:29:56,650
bots he didn't tip and then everything

1838
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:05,790
the Roomba turns into you know a murder

1839
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:06,370
weapon

1840
01:30:16,260 --> 01:30:11,130
and drones are all over us I mean just

1841
01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:16,270
the common common things today not not

1842
01:30:23,490 --> 01:30:19,600
you know what I mean not not terminator

1843
01:30:26,250 --> 01:30:23,500
@e 3000 showing up but just your average

1844
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:26,260
life the house the temperature's going

1845
01:30:30,420 --> 01:30:28,570
from a hundred degrees down to 40

1846
01:30:34,380 --> 01:30:30,430
degrees and you know if lights are

1847
01:30:36,750 --> 01:30:34,390
turning on and off and you know the the

1848
01:30:39,630 --> 01:30:36,760
automated house and the delivery systems

1849
01:30:43,050 --> 01:30:39,640
and like I said the Roomba turns into an

1850
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:43,060
assassin there's that part of it and

1851
01:30:47,750 --> 01:30:45,760
this is what I'm afraid of

1852
01:30:51,770 --> 01:30:47,760
what I'm afraid of is

1853
01:30:54,650 --> 01:30:51,780
one bad actor it's not about shutting

1854
01:30:58,580 --> 01:30:54,660
down the electrical grid but one guy

1855
01:31:01,610 --> 01:30:58,590
that decides to jump in on the Android

1856
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:01,620
operating system of smart refrigerators

1857
01:31:07,610 --> 01:31:05,489
and turns off refrigerators across the

1858
01:31:10,940 --> 01:31:07,620
United States and takes everybody's food

1859
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:10,950
away from them that is a problem and

1860
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:13,890
that is that is a very real situation

1861
01:31:20,930 --> 01:31:17,250
we're talking about Android is running

1862
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:20,940
most of these connected devices and can

1863
01:31:26,180 --> 01:31:23,610
be manipulated and hacked and that is

1864
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:26,190
something that is very very very scary

1865
01:31:31,970 --> 01:31:28,650
to me right well this is of course why

1866
01:31:33,650 --> 01:31:31,980
data security is is so important and it

1867
01:31:35,780 --> 01:31:33,660
is one of the most critical things for

1868
01:31:40,490 --> 01:31:35,790
both for individuals and for society as

1869
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:40,500
a whole but you know to be honest when I

1870
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:42,840
when I first started getting into AI at

1871
01:31:47,450 --> 01:31:44,610
first I started to see all the things

1872
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:47,460
that could go wrong but then the more I

1873
01:31:51,890 --> 01:31:50,489
thought about it the more so for

1874
01:31:54,440 --> 01:31:51,900
instance I was reading this Nick Bostrom

1875
01:31:56,420 --> 01:31:54,450
book super intelligence and that is the

1876
01:31:58,160 --> 01:31:56,430
most terrifying book ever written about

1877
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AI and the potential for what could go

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01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:00,570
wrong it is it's a it's written by a

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01:32:05,660 --> 01:32:04,050
lecturer at the University of Oxford you

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01:32:08,090 --> 01:32:05,670
know he's a credentialed academic but he

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01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:08,100
goes through and he looks at all the

1882
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:10,800
apocalyptic nightmare society scenarios

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01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:13,770
for AI almost all of which end in total

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01:32:19,010 --> 01:32:16,410
extinction of all life as we know it but

1885
01:32:23,060 --> 01:32:19,020
he then says as you get towards the end

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01:32:26,810 --> 01:32:23,070
of the book the only thing that could

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01:32:31,670 --> 01:32:26,820
possibly be worse for Humanity then

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01:32:33,890 --> 01:32:31,680
developing AI is not developing AI and

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what he meant by that is when you when

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you step back and you look at it well

1891
01:32:39,710 --> 01:32:37,920
what are the problems that we face you

1892
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:39,720
know as a species you know okay well we

1893
01:32:46,370 --> 01:32:42,960
have you know terrible diseases that we

1894
01:32:48,530 --> 01:32:46,380
need to overcome we have missed

1895
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:48,540
distribution of food and food and people

1896
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:50,850
starving we have the environmental

1897
01:32:58,040 --> 01:32:54,239
crisis talk toxic pollution of the

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01:33:01,100 --> 01:32:58,050
environment dying species overpopulation

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01:33:02,990 --> 01:33:01,110
the need to colonize space well you

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01:33:04,729 --> 01:33:03,000
all of these things could potentially be

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01:33:07,340 --> 01:33:04,739
solved very quickly with artificial

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01:33:09,379 --> 01:33:07,350
intelligence let's take a basic example

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01:33:11,390 --> 01:33:09,389
cancer right you know how many people

1904
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:11,400
whose cancer kill every year well let's

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01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:14,489
say an AI was given access to for

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01:33:18,620 --> 01:33:16,770
instance the data at 23andme which by

1907
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:18,630
the way is a Google company and I'm sure

1908
01:33:23,959 --> 01:33:22,530
that's why they created it but or you

1909
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:23,969
know the Nats the records of the

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01:33:27,260 --> 01:33:25,770
National Health Service in England or

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01:33:29,689 --> 01:33:27,270
something like that

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01:33:30,830 --> 01:33:29,699
let's say that we put a machine like

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01:33:33,260 --> 01:33:30,840
just a machine learning learning

1914
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:33,270
algorithm and train it on the genetic

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01:33:37,899 --> 01:33:35,850
code of as many people as possible and

1916
01:33:40,430 --> 01:33:37,909
then it comes back and it will tell you

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01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:40,440
exactly the sequence of things to turn

1918
01:33:43,820 --> 01:33:42,000
off to prevent cancer from ever

1919
01:33:44,450 --> 01:33:43,830
occurring I mean that for me like that

1920
01:33:47,919 --> 01:33:44,460
right there

1921
01:33:50,359 --> 01:33:47,929
is our best possible hope right of

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01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:50,369
curing things like cancer curing aids

1923
01:33:53,660 --> 01:33:51,840
you don't say that the cures are gonna

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01:33:55,490 --> 01:33:53,670
happen like that's gonna be one of the

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01:33:58,910 --> 01:33:55,500
major ways that it's gonna that it's

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01:34:01,370 --> 01:33:58,920
gonna happen or you know figuring out

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01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:01,380
let's say detoxifying the ocean you know

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01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:03,449
all the coral reefs are dying well you

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01:34:08,689 --> 01:34:06,810
know AI robots could easily be deployed

1930
01:34:10,729 --> 01:34:08,699
well not easily but you know we could

1931
01:34:13,930 --> 01:34:10,739
work towards deploying robots that could

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01:34:17,300 --> 01:34:13,940
start cleaning up the environment and

1933
01:34:20,090 --> 01:34:17,310
you know even the use of AI to do things

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01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:20,100
like sequence the genetics and bring

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01:34:25,609 --> 01:34:23,040
back species that have been that are now

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01:34:27,620 --> 01:34:25,619
extinct things like this and of course

1937
01:34:29,660 --> 01:34:27,630
we're also entering the world of CRISPR

1938
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:29,670
and easy genetic manipulation and that's

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01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:32,400
gonna go hand in hand with AI so yes of

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01:34:36,290 --> 01:34:34,080
course there's frightening things about

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01:34:38,660 --> 01:34:36,300
these but on the flip side of that is

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01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:38,670
there's incredibly exciting things about

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01:34:42,649 --> 01:34:41,130
them also and you know I don't like to

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01:34:43,970 --> 01:34:42,659
make predictions about the future but I

1945
01:34:46,189 --> 01:34:43,980
think that it's gonna get just

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01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:46,199
incredibly weird within the next 10

1947
01:34:51,500 --> 01:34:49,920
years we're just we haven't even you

1948
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:51,510
know we're talking about technology from

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01:34:56,689 --> 01:34:54,090
the from the time that the web was

1950
01:34:59,840 --> 01:34:56,699
rolled out and you think about we

1951
01:35:00,500 --> 01:34:59,850
couldn't even stream video useful at you

1952
01:35:04,580 --> 01:35:00,510
know well

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01:35:07,609 --> 01:35:04,590
in the 90s until now we're were just in

1954
01:35:10,879 --> 01:35:07,619
the we're still in the ramping up phase

1955
01:35:12,740 --> 01:35:10,889
of information technology we were still

1956
01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:12,750
in the part where we're gathering speed

1957
01:35:16,850 --> 01:35:14,639
but we're just about to get to

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01:35:19,069 --> 01:35:16,860
take off and that the take off is gonna

1959
01:35:22,580 --> 01:35:19,079
happen within the next 10 years when we

1960
01:35:26,449 --> 01:35:22,590
look at AI machine learning potentially

1961
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:26,459
strong AI CRISPR a genetic manipulation

1962
01:35:31,659 --> 01:35:29,280
blockchain cloud computing graphics

1963
01:35:34,429 --> 01:35:31,669
cards with tremendous amounts of power

1964
01:35:35,959 --> 01:35:34,439
the interconnection of all the computers

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01:35:38,419 --> 01:35:35,969
around the world through things like

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01:35:40,729 --> 01:35:38,429
blockchain we have no idea what's coming

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01:35:42,679 --> 01:35:40,739
and it's it's it's gonna happen as if

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01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:42,689
overnight as if it was like alien

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01:35:48,020 --> 01:35:45,090
contact yeah it's gonna be the Internet

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3.0 for sure let's take a break right

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here our guest tonight Jason Lu we're

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talking technology all of it this is

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fade to black on the game changer

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Network I'm your host Jimmy Church more

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Jason after this short break stay with

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us

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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you're listening to fade to black always

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with Jimmy Church on the game change in

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[Music]

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01:40:03,390 --> 01:40:02,040
all right welcome back fade to black

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01:40:06,570 --> 01:40:03,400
coming off Jimmy Church our guest

2045
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:06,580
tonight Jason Liu we're talking tech all

2046
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:08,290
of it tomorrow night

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01:40:12,150 --> 01:40:10,480
Tracy Garvin is gonna be here who you're

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gonna meet her for the first time it's

2049
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:14,710
gonna be an amazing show Thursday night

2050
01:40:17,310 --> 01:40:16,930
open lines all night long this is fade

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01:40:24,770 --> 01:40:17,320
to black

2052
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:24,780
now Jason the is there a way to slow

2053
01:40:33,810 --> 01:40:29,520
down the progress that we are making

2054
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:33,820
should we are we going too fast without

2055
01:40:41,610 --> 01:40:36,880
looking at certain consequences and one

2056
01:40:44,610 --> 01:40:41,620
of the aspects of this is if you wanted

2057
01:40:47,790 --> 01:40:44,620
to take down a country right now you

2058
01:40:49,890 --> 01:40:47,800
don't necessarily drop bombs you take

2059
01:40:53,790 --> 01:40:49,900
down their internet and then everything

2060
01:40:55,890 --> 01:40:53,800
is is is over you know because of the

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01:40:59,040 --> 01:40:55,900
distribution of electricity and food and

2062
01:41:00,750 --> 01:40:59,050
water and and and communication and the

2063
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:00,760
news and everything else you take that

2064
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:04,410
away and the electric it all goes down

2065
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:08,650
certainly then the next world war will

2066
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:13,170
probably involve that first in in in

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01:41:19,290 --> 01:41:17,410
some kind of warfare and so to prevent

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01:41:23,340 --> 01:41:19,300
that maybe we should back up a little

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01:41:25,370 --> 01:41:23,350
bit and and maybe not have things run on

2070
01:41:28,830 --> 01:41:25,380
the internet like we do our

2071
01:41:30,780 --> 01:41:28,840
infrastructure and so forth we can't we

2072
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:30,790
can slow it down it's it's not going to

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01:41:36,780 --> 01:41:33,040
be possible the reason that I say that

2074
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:36,790
is let's say that you know if one group

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01:41:40,410 --> 01:41:38,650
or one country was to slow down

2076
01:41:41,730 --> 01:41:40,420
technological progress all that would

2077
01:41:46,110 --> 01:41:41,740
happen would be they would fall behind

2078
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:46,120
all the other countries so and this is

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01:41:51,450 --> 01:41:49,210
this is of course dangerous for the

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01:41:53,670 --> 01:41:51,460
reason that you know for instance when I

2081
01:41:56,930 --> 01:41:53,680
first started getting into AI I realized

2082
01:42:00,330 --> 01:41:56,940
that we had never faced an existential

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01:42:02,790 --> 01:42:00,340
you know dilemma of this level ever

2084
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:02,800
before as a human species the only thing

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01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:05,050
that comes close is the atomic bomb so I

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01:42:09,420 --> 01:42:08,410
went and started reading the accounts of

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01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:09,430
the people who had worked on the

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01:42:12,490 --> 01:42:10,159
Manhattan

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01:42:14,410 --> 01:42:12,500
to get a sense of how they were thinking

2090
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:14,420
and the fascinating thing is they were

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01:42:18,970 --> 01:42:16,850
all talking about what they were doing

2092
01:42:21,820 --> 01:42:18,980
in the same terms as people are talking

2093
01:42:25,410 --> 01:42:21,830
about AI now where they were saying you

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01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:25,420
know we understand that we're creating

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01:42:31,149 --> 01:42:28,489
what could become a most terrible weapon

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01:42:34,540 --> 01:42:31,159
ever known you know creating this

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01:42:36,490 --> 01:42:34,550
horrible bomb but we also know that if

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01:42:37,959 --> 01:42:36,500
we don't somebody else will we don't

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01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:37,969
develop it the Germans will develop it

2100
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:39,530
the Japanese will develop it and then

2101
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:41,360
the war will be over and they'll use it

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01:42:46,270 --> 01:42:44,090
on us so we have to develop it and that

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01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:46,280
thinking forces it to happen it's almost

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01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:48,050
like a magical thing it forces it into

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01:42:55,540 --> 01:42:51,530
manifestation the AI developers are

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01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:55,550
using the same logic now you know when I

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01:42:58,629 --> 01:42:56,960
was looking at it at the end of 2017

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01:43:00,580 --> 01:42:58,639
there were at least a thousand companies

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01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:00,590
working on AI and there's probably quite

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a few more now and that's of course

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01:43:09,310 --> 01:43:06,170
going to force the the accelerated

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01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:09,320
progress of AI oh and we were it's not

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01:43:15,220 --> 01:43:11,690
just the u.s. it's China it's Russia you

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01:43:17,140 --> 01:43:15,230
know it's there's that we can't we can't

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01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:17,150
slow it down it's just not gonna happen

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01:43:21,580 --> 01:43:19,040
that's not something that we're gonna be

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01:43:24,610 --> 01:43:21,590
able to do so I think that what we have

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to do is guide it and continually

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01:43:32,140 --> 01:43:28,670
suggest you know as a as a as a human

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species have just keep making sure that

2121
01:43:37,629 --> 01:43:35,630
our voice is heard instead of just you

2122
01:43:39,490 --> 01:43:37,639
know a few people in a few corporate

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01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:39,500
concerns you know the humanity has to

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01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:42,290
constantly be forcing its way into the

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01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:44,090
conversation and making sure that this

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01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:46,639
is a group decision making process

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because it obviously affects all life

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period that's how I feel about it and

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then also you know I think that we can

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one of the best things we can do is

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01:44:02,290 --> 01:43:59,780
imagine better futures for AI futures

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01:44:05,890 --> 01:44:02,300
that are not Terminator 5 you know but

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futures that are the cure of cancer of

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01:44:10,590 --> 01:44:08,330
the cure of you know global poverty the

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cure of environmental degradation

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there's a lot of tremendously positive

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things that could come out of this you

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01:44:23,330 --> 01:44:19,100
know overwhelmingly positive so I think

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it's imperative for us to steer

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towards those futures and and I don't

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01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:27,540
think that getting dystopian and

2142
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:30,480
apocalyptic and recycling the same Blade

2143
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:32,489
Runner and Terminator tropes whenever we

2144
01:44:36,379 --> 01:44:34,250
think about this is particularly helpful

2145
01:44:38,089 --> 01:44:36,389
it's certainly not helpful for the

2146
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:38,099
people developing these things to have

2147
01:44:42,919 --> 01:44:39,690
that in the back of their mind as they

2148
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:42,929
do so that's kind of how I feel about it

2149
01:44:48,709 --> 01:44:46,250
but I think that technology should be a

2150
01:44:53,470 --> 01:44:48,719
conversation that we have as a species

2151
01:44:55,879 --> 01:44:53,480
instead of you know a very tiny core

2152
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:55,889
group of people making decisions behind

2153
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:57,810
closed doors yeah that's that's

2154
01:45:03,290 --> 01:44:59,520
dangerous yeah that's always the issue

2155
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:03,300
and certainly for all of the goodness

2156
01:45:08,990 --> 01:45:06,449
out there and there's a you know hey I

2157
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:09,000
like one-click Amazon that's pretty much

2158
01:45:15,379 --> 01:45:12,690
a pretty amazing thing click delivered

2159
01:45:21,530 --> 01:45:15,389
you know click you don't even have to

2160
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:21,540
think about some complicated step it's

2161
01:45:27,260 --> 01:45:24,239
literally a click and it shows up at

2162
01:45:29,209 --> 01:45:27,270
your house I appreciate that but then

2163
01:45:33,290 --> 01:45:29,219
there's the other side for all of that

2164
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:33,300
positivity there is negativity and who

2165
01:45:39,169 --> 01:45:35,570
is out there on the front lines for us

2166
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:39,179
protecting our grid our internet the

2167
01:45:44,180 --> 01:45:41,520
banking systems and our water supplies

2168
01:45:46,879 --> 01:45:44,190
and our food delivery systems so they

2169
01:45:52,010 --> 01:45:46,889
don't get manipulated I would think that

2170
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:52,020
there are an equal amount of criminals

2171
01:45:56,330 --> 01:45:54,239
and criminal minds out there trying to

2172
01:45:58,970 --> 01:45:56,340
figure out how to manipulate the system

2173
01:46:00,589 --> 01:45:58,980
because it's always been there right I

2174
01:46:02,990 --> 01:46:00,599
think one of the real issues with

2175
01:46:04,129 --> 01:46:03,000
technology is there's no democracy to it

2176
01:46:06,770 --> 01:46:04,139
there's no such thing as global

2177
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:06,780
governance even though technology the

2178
01:46:11,660 --> 01:46:09,210
promise of technology is that it will

2179
01:46:14,629 --> 01:46:11,670
bring everyone together it's not a group

2180
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:14,639
decision making process and so for that

2181
01:46:19,850 --> 01:46:18,000
reason I'm hopeful for certain

2182
01:46:21,830 --> 01:46:19,860
technologies like blockchain technology

2183
01:46:25,010 --> 01:46:21,840
for instance I think that it would be

2184
01:46:29,209 --> 01:46:25,020
you know pretty cool to run let's say

2185
01:46:31,390 --> 01:46:29,219
let's say run a one world community not

2186
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:31,400
not a one world order but a

2187
01:46:38,980 --> 01:46:34,490
one world community as Jaz Coleman from

2188
01:46:40,810 --> 01:46:38,990
Killing Joke puts it as a on the

2189
01:46:45,780 --> 01:46:40,820
blockchain for instance of course the

2190
01:46:49,810 --> 01:46:45,790
blockchain allows for unhackable

2191
01:46:51,790 --> 01:46:49,820
unchangeable data to be transferred that

2192
01:46:53,590 --> 01:46:51,800
can't be changed by any bad actors so

2193
01:46:56,260 --> 01:46:53,600
it's something that can be used to do

2194
01:46:58,330 --> 01:46:56,270
global governance where it's one vote

2195
01:47:00,250 --> 01:46:58,340
one person for the whole world and you

2196
01:47:02,020 --> 01:47:00,260
know the issues that affect all humanity

2197
01:47:05,470 --> 01:47:02,030
could be decided through voting on the

2198
01:47:07,150 --> 01:47:05,480
blockchain I think that that or maybe

2199
01:47:08,530 --> 01:47:07,160
not just voting but just the whole idea

2200
01:47:10,540 --> 01:47:08,540
of global governance using the

2201
01:47:12,910 --> 01:47:10,550
blockchain is a you know pretty exciting

2202
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:12,920
exciting to think about and you know

2203
01:47:19,870 --> 01:47:16,010
honestly you know to be to be perfectly

2204
01:47:22,630 --> 01:47:19,880
frank when we look around yet everything

2205
01:47:23,980 --> 01:47:22,640
has collapsed in our world at the moment

2206
01:47:26,170 --> 01:47:23,990
you know that the political system has

2207
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:26,180
utterly collapsed it's is anarchy and

2208
01:47:31,930 --> 01:47:30,050
chaos both in America and Europe all of

2209
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:31,940
the old philosophies people don't seem

2210
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:33,650
to be paying any heed to them anymore

2211
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:36,370
social orders social fabric have

2212
01:47:43,870 --> 01:47:42,050
disintegrated and but technology is one

2213
01:47:46,060 --> 01:47:43,880
of the only things that we have as a

2214
01:47:47,850 --> 01:47:46,070
human species that's it's working and

2215
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:47,860
going forward into the future and

2216
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:50,480
technology is what delivers you know

2217
01:48:00,010 --> 01:47:55,570
NASA didn't deliver but Elon Musk is and

2218
01:48:02,260 --> 01:48:00,020
you know like so so I have to say that

2219
01:48:03,610 --> 01:48:02,270
you know technology is kind of where we

2220
01:48:05,860 --> 01:48:03,620
should be putting our focus in our

2221
01:48:07,810 --> 01:48:05,870
effort you know it's the only technology

2222
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:07,820
is the only thing that's going to give

2223
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:10,010
us a Hail Mary pass on the the issues

2224
01:48:16,180 --> 01:48:11,930
that we face in this century whether its

2225
01:48:18,340 --> 01:48:16,190
climate change or or or what

2226
01:48:22,860 --> 01:48:18,350
overpopulation or whatever it happens to

2227
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:22,870
be pandemic global pandemic diseases

2228
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:25,040
technology is the only thing that's

2229
01:48:28,630 --> 01:48:27,050
gonna save us it's not going to be

2230
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:28,640
religion it's not going to be government

2231
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:30,890
it's not going to be spirituality you

2232
01:48:35,020 --> 01:48:32,690
know which is a sobering thing for

2233
01:48:37,450 --> 01:48:35,030
somebody like me to say but it's kind of

2234
01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:37,460
true spirituality will definitely

2235
01:48:44,740 --> 01:48:42,590
spirituality is great for motivating

2236
01:48:47,050 --> 01:48:44,750
small numbers of of

2237
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:47,060
of you know people who are willing to

2238
01:48:52,030 --> 01:48:49,850
put the time in but it's not a mass fix

2239
01:48:55,180 --> 01:48:52,040
the only way we're gonna mass fix these

2240
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:55,190
issues is through technology so I'm all

2241
01:49:00,670 --> 01:48:57,290
for it in that sense and I think that

2242
01:49:02,220 --> 01:49:00,680
but I just cautioned that I mean I don't

2243
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:02,230
know if cautions the word I think that

2244
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:06,320
one of the things that a couple of the

2245
01:49:10,540 --> 01:49:07,850
great spiritual teachers of the 20th

2246
01:49:13,270 --> 01:49:10,550
century said Parmenter Yogananda and

2247
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:13,280
Manley P Hall in the early part of the

2248
01:49:18,010 --> 01:49:15,170
20th century is that humanity's

2249
01:49:22,590 --> 01:49:18,020
technological capacity is advancing so

2250
01:49:24,970 --> 01:49:22,600
quickly that it's outstripping by

2251
01:49:27,190 --> 01:49:24,980
exponential factors is outstripping

2252
01:49:29,770 --> 01:49:27,200
humanity's wisdom and capability

2253
01:49:33,310 --> 01:49:29,780
capability of handling it and using it

2254
01:49:34,990 --> 01:49:33,320
humanely and you know all you have to do

2255
01:49:37,150 --> 01:49:35,000
is look online and you'll see that

2256
01:49:39,700 --> 01:49:37,160
that's the case you know we have this

2257
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:39,710
technology which to all intents and

2258
01:49:45,370 --> 01:49:42,530
purposes gives us magical powers both as

2259
01:49:47,050 --> 01:49:45,380
individuals and as groups and what are

2260
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:47,060
the still the same people that we were

2261
01:49:53,500 --> 01:49:49,970
you know 2,000 years ago we're still the

2262
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:53,510
same savages you know so we just have

2263
01:49:57,490 --> 01:49:55,040
more we're gonna have more and more and

2264
01:49:59,560 --> 01:49:57,500
more and more powerful tools you know

2265
01:50:03,850 --> 01:49:59,570
the odd of the atom bomb already looks

2266
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:03,860
like you know a musket so well one of

2267
01:50:10,540 --> 01:50:07,930
the hurdles that third desperately

2268
01:50:14,740 --> 01:50:10,550
trying to overcome right now and this is

2269
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:14,750
both with DARPA and Sandia and others

2270
01:50:18,820 --> 01:50:16,970
too as well certainly the focus of the

2271
01:50:24,810 --> 01:50:18,830
research and the budgeting right now is

2272
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:24,820
a neural interface and that machine to

2273
01:50:30,670 --> 01:50:27,410
biological communication and being able

2274
01:50:33,580 --> 01:50:30,680
to convert that for a multitude of

2275
01:50:36,610 --> 01:50:33,590
reasons one obviously to download your

2276
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:36,620
your your brain and your memories your

2277
01:50:43,060 --> 01:50:40,130
dreams your thoughts but also a strong

2278
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:43,070
suggestion into immortality because if

2279
01:50:50,290 --> 01:50:46,330
you could get your soul and your

2280
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:50,300
consciousness into your memory onto a

2281
01:50:56,550 --> 01:50:53,930
USB Drive well then you're off to the

2282
01:50:58,100 --> 01:50:56,560
races to living forever

2283
01:51:00,600 --> 01:50:58,110
and the other part of that is

2284
01:51:04,050 --> 01:51:00,610
incorporating that of course into that

2285
01:51:06,770 --> 01:51:04,060
Tron type of artificial reality where

2286
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:06,780
you would just exist on a chip and that

2287
01:51:11,850 --> 01:51:10,090
is a huge focus right now how close do

2288
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:11,860
you think we are to downloading our

2289
01:51:20,100 --> 01:51:16,930
brains well I mean to be honest I would

2290
01:51:22,350 --> 01:51:20,110
be surprised if I I would be really

2291
01:51:23,790 --> 01:51:22,360
surprised if you know fairly advanced

2292
01:51:25,500 --> 01:51:23,800
neural machine interfaces haven't

2293
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:25,510
already been developed in in the

2294
01:51:32,730 --> 01:51:30,250
military world and I think that okay so

2295
01:51:35,550 --> 01:51:32,740
in terms of whole brain downloading they

2296
01:51:39,990 --> 01:51:35,560
certainly discussed it as a potential

2297
01:51:42,150 --> 01:51:40,000
way to model even a strong AI that said

2298
01:51:43,410 --> 01:51:42,160
you know my honest take on this is I

2299
01:51:46,230 --> 01:51:43,420
don't think they're gonna be able to do

2300
01:51:47,790 --> 01:51:46,240
it I don't think that the you know and

2301
01:51:50,460 --> 01:51:47,800
it's not even just a romantic thing I

2302
01:51:53,060 --> 01:51:50,470
don't think that the what it is that

2303
01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:53,070
makes a human being conscious can't be

2304
01:51:59,640 --> 01:51:58,000
reduced into a terribly into it right

2305
01:52:00,300 --> 01:51:59,650
onto a USB I just don't think that's

2306
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:00,310
gonna happen

2307
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:05,530
they don't look we don't even understand

2308
01:52:09,060 --> 01:52:07,360
what consciousness is and and you know

2309
01:52:11,070 --> 01:52:09,070
as a lifelong meditator and

2310
01:52:13,530 --> 01:52:11,080
Explorer of spiritual traditions I think

2311
01:52:16,230 --> 01:52:13,540
I can pretty pretty authoritative ly

2312
01:52:18,090 --> 01:52:16,240
assure you that the whatever it is that

2313
01:52:19,620 --> 01:52:18,100
we call the human soul I mean most human

2314
01:52:22,590 --> 01:52:19,630
beings haven't even experienced the full

2315
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:22,600
capacity of their their the the full

2316
01:52:27,990 --> 01:52:24,850
expansiveness or capacity of that their

2317
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:28,000
own spiritual levels so yet they don't

2318
01:52:31,470 --> 01:52:29,530
even know what they're playing with it's

2319
01:52:33,660 --> 01:52:31,480
it's that's that you know spirit you

2320
01:52:35,370 --> 01:52:33,670
know spirituality spirituality and the

2321
01:52:36,630 --> 01:52:35,380
spiritual aspects of life into human

2322
01:52:39,660 --> 01:52:36,640
beings are so far beyond anything

2323
01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:39,670
technology will ever be able to do that

2324
01:52:44,730 --> 01:52:40,960
it's just not gonna happen

2325
01:52:47,940 --> 01:52:44,740
but what will happen is as you mentioned

2326
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:47,950
neural machine interfaces I think that's

2327
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:49,450
gonna come very quickly and they're

2328
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:50,770
they're already talking about what

2329
01:52:54,900 --> 01:52:51,970
they're calling the Internet of thoughts

2330
01:52:58,140 --> 01:52:54,910
which is you know when you have a neural

2331
01:52:59,790 --> 01:52:58,150
interface into a machine a computer that

2332
01:53:01,530 --> 01:52:59,800
is then connected to the cloud and then

2333
01:53:03,300 --> 01:53:01,540
you're you know you're ordering things

2334
01:53:05,010 --> 01:53:03,310
on Amazon with thoughts and browsing the

2335
01:53:06,780 --> 01:53:05,020
web with thoughts and communicating with

2336
01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:06,790
people to other people with thoughts and

2337
01:53:11,580 --> 01:53:08,649
then we have essentially a glow

2338
01:53:13,739 --> 01:53:11,590
will telepathic network that's that's

2339
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:13,749
coming that's gonna happen I don't know

2340
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:15,010
how extensive it's going to be or how

2341
01:53:17,879 --> 01:53:16,449
quickly it's going to happen but they're

2342
01:53:21,779 --> 01:53:17,889
already talking about it and they're

2343
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:21,789
already using that terminology and you

2344
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:23,199
know I don't know I don't know if I want

2345
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:25,360
to know what's in other people's

2346
01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:28,449
thoughts no right and now and in the way

2347
01:53:37,169 --> 01:53:33,449
that AR is advancing to as well not only

2348
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:37,179
you can see directly in gaming gaming

2349
01:53:41,250 --> 01:53:39,010
today

2350
01:53:43,649 --> 01:53:41,260
look we go back and look at asteroids

2351
01:53:45,540 --> 01:53:43,659
right or missile command and then look

2352
01:53:46,979 --> 01:53:45,550
at what is going on today it's pretty

2353
01:53:51,179 --> 01:53:46,989
astounding and then there's the other

2354
01:53:54,839 --> 01:53:51,189
part of it that goes on in Hollywood and

2355
01:53:57,239 --> 01:53:54,849
the rendering that is done with with

2356
01:54:01,529 --> 01:53:57,249
that today it's just it's very very

2357
01:54:03,540 --> 01:54:01,539
impressive and you can't tell well maybe

2358
01:54:06,179 --> 01:54:03,550
you can't but it's almost gotten to the

2359
01:54:07,909 --> 01:54:06,189
point where you don't know what is real

2360
01:54:10,469 --> 01:54:07,919
and what is not

2361
01:54:14,459 --> 01:54:10,479
where do you think that is going and if

2362
01:54:20,219 --> 01:54:14,469
you could exist in an AR world would you

2363
01:54:21,569 --> 01:54:20,229
do it in an AR world or a full VR well

2364
01:54:24,569 --> 01:54:21,579
see okay

2365
01:54:27,869 --> 01:54:24,579
now also the lines are blurred between

2366
01:54:31,129 --> 01:54:27,879
the two right well so I guess just to

2367
01:54:34,830 --> 01:54:31,139
define clear so AR augmented reality is

2368
01:54:37,139 --> 01:54:34,840
when you are okay so a good example

2369
01:54:39,719 --> 01:54:37,149
would be you're walking around the mall

2370
01:54:41,790 --> 01:54:39,729
and you hold up your phone in front of

2371
01:54:43,500 --> 01:54:41,800
stores and it displays you know price

2372
01:54:43,739 --> 01:54:43,510
tags and current deals and things like

2373
01:54:45,869 --> 01:54:43,749
that

2374
01:54:48,229 --> 01:54:45,879
AR is when there's an overlay of

2375
01:54:51,239 --> 01:54:48,239
information on top of the world as it is

2376
01:54:53,299 --> 01:54:51,249
and that's coming real quick and that's

2377
01:54:58,589 --> 01:54:53,309
going to be integrated with their lives

2378
01:55:00,119 --> 01:54:58,599
you know much more than VR is so and and

2379
01:55:02,939 --> 01:55:00,129
it's not just it's not just that but I

2380
01:55:05,250 --> 01:55:02,949
mean you know obviously it syncs up with

2381
01:55:12,719 --> 01:55:05,260
the Internet of Things and displays and

2382
01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:12,729
things like that but we are via full VR

2383
01:55:15,779 --> 01:55:14,169
is when you actually go into another

2384
01:55:17,310 --> 01:55:15,789
experience you know so you put the

2385
01:55:19,379 --> 01:55:17,320
helmet on and you go into another world

2386
01:55:20,670 --> 01:55:19,389
instead of it being an overlay on this

2387
01:55:24,210 --> 01:55:20,680
world

2388
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:24,220
and look at look at pokemons go that's a

2389
01:55:32,670 --> 01:55:30,130
beautiful example of being able to exist

2390
01:55:35,130 --> 01:55:32,680
and it's right there it's on your cell

2391
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:35,140
phone and you're looking and you're

2392
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:39,490
walking around in reality right but

2393
01:55:46,110 --> 01:55:43,530
you're you're you're in in game play

2394
01:55:49,290 --> 01:55:46,120
that's right there it's a very simple

2395
01:55:52,890 --> 01:55:49,300
version of it but it is actually running

2396
01:55:56,550 --> 01:55:52,900
so I guess what I'm asking you is if you

2397
01:56:00,420 --> 01:55:56,560
were offered the opportunity to download

2398
01:56:04,580 --> 01:56:00,430
your consciousness your soul and exist

2399
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:04,590
in an artificial reality a full-on

2400
01:56:11,910 --> 01:56:09,130
version of picah City Seattle you could

2401
01:56:14,850 --> 01:56:11,920
just live there forever would you would

2402
01:56:17,220 --> 01:56:14,860
you make that move I'm not sure I would

2403
01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:17,230
because I'd be worried that you know the

2404
01:56:21,180 --> 01:56:19,330
the promise would be that it would be

2405
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:21,190
some virtual paradise and then I get

2406
01:56:24,210 --> 01:56:22,480
there and then it would just be some

2407
01:56:26,130 --> 01:56:24,220
machine using my consciousness to mind

2408
01:56:27,390 --> 01:56:26,140
Bitcoin or something like that right

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01:56:30,870 --> 01:56:27,400
yeah totally

2410
01:56:35,130 --> 01:56:30,880
well okay now the movie especially the

2411
01:56:39,900 --> 01:56:35,140
first version of it Tron that suggested

2412
01:56:42,830 --> 01:56:39,910
to all of us another world one that

2413
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:42,840
existed you know on a motherboard and

2414
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:46,000
the way that Silicon Valley is working

2415
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:48,880
right now with with qubits and parallel

2416
01:56:54,770 --> 01:56:51,370
worlds now we're strongly suggesting the

2417
01:56:57,330 --> 01:56:54,780
existence of on a scientific level

2418
01:56:59,220 --> 01:56:57,340
multiverse parallel worlds infinite

2419
01:57:03,690 --> 01:56:59,230
parallel worlds where these qubits can

2420
01:57:05,610 --> 01:57:03,700
can run and exist and and compute well

2421
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:05,620
now we're starting to cross this line

2422
01:57:12,450 --> 01:57:09,610
and when all of the not all but a bunch

2423
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:12,460
of these heads of giant corporations up

2424
01:57:19,500 --> 01:57:14,490
in Silicon Valley started suggesting

2425
01:57:22,980 --> 01:57:19,510
this this type of world may be real and

2426
01:57:25,220 --> 01:57:22,990
we may be existing in it is suggesting

2427
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:25,230
that they know something that we don't

2428
01:57:31,170 --> 01:57:27,850
what do you think about science starting

2429
01:57:33,450 --> 01:57:31,180
to prove this direction and it was

2430
01:57:34,750 --> 01:57:33,460
Silicon Valley of all places that is

2431
01:57:37,070 --> 01:57:34,760
leading the way

2432
01:57:39,770 --> 01:57:37,080
well to be honest I don't know a ton

2433
01:57:42,919 --> 01:57:39,780
about that but I do know that certain

2434
01:57:45,229 --> 01:57:42,929
things like the you know there was this

2435
01:57:46,910 --> 01:57:45,239
idea was propagated a few years ago that

2436
01:57:50,120 --> 01:57:46,920
it had been proven that the universe is

2437
01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:50,130
a simulation and things like that a lot

2438
01:57:55,490 --> 01:57:52,170
of times when you see things like that

2439
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:55,500
what you're actually seeing is you know

2440
01:58:00,589 --> 01:57:58,080
a theory that somebody a hypothesis that

2441
01:58:02,570 --> 01:58:00,599
somebody has proposed that then gets

2442
01:58:04,430 --> 01:58:02,580
picked up by the media and reported as

2443
01:58:06,290 --> 01:58:04,440
if it's fact and I know Neil deGrasse

2444
01:58:08,089 --> 01:58:06,300
Tyson commented on this and kind of

2445
01:58:09,950 --> 01:58:08,099
chucked that out and said it wasn't you

2446
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:09,960
know wasn't actually it was not the case

2447
01:58:13,939 --> 01:58:12,330
a lot of times you know have also having

2448
01:58:17,089 --> 01:58:13,949
worked as a journalist as a blogger and

2449
01:58:21,919 --> 01:58:17,099
knowing how blogs work bloggers will

2450
01:58:24,350 --> 01:58:21,929
constantly look at scientific studies

2451
01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:24,360
and reports just try and scrape stories

2452
01:58:28,129 --> 01:58:26,130
and sensationalized them as much as

2453
01:58:30,050 --> 01:58:28,139
possible but it's very often they take

2454
01:58:32,120 --> 01:58:30,060
it out of context so I know that for

2455
01:58:34,070 --> 01:58:32,130
instance yeah even the mini world so the

2456
01:58:35,810 --> 01:58:34,080
many-worlds hypothesis of quantum

2457
01:58:38,839 --> 01:58:35,820
physics which is all the many-worlds

2458
01:58:39,459 --> 01:58:38,849
interpretation of the you know the

2459
01:58:43,459 --> 01:58:39,469
famous

2460
01:58:45,770 --> 01:58:43,469
wave particle experiment is just it all

2461
01:58:48,439 --> 01:58:45,780
that is it's not a it's not you know it

2462
01:58:50,589 --> 01:58:48,449
it suggests that there are different

2463
01:58:53,899 --> 01:58:50,599
realities created at the quantum level

2464
01:58:56,570 --> 01:58:53,909
for any decision or things like that and

2465
01:59:00,410 --> 01:58:56,580
all that was was saying maybe this is a

2466
01:59:02,270 --> 01:59:00,420
possible explanatory interpretation of

2467
01:59:04,070 --> 01:59:02,280
the wave particle duality experiment

2468
01:59:07,939 --> 01:59:04,080
that experiment of course being that a

2469
01:59:09,950 --> 01:59:07,949
wave you know light could be observed as

2470
01:59:11,330 --> 01:59:09,960
a wave or as a particle depending on

2471
01:59:12,709 --> 01:59:11,340
what they were looking for and it is

2472
01:59:14,959 --> 01:59:12,719
good to be in a quantum quantum

2473
01:59:16,609 --> 01:59:14,969
superimposed and it seemed to be both at

2474
01:59:19,729 --> 01:59:16,619
once and nobody couldn't figure that out

2475
01:59:21,379 --> 01:59:19,739
and one of the hypotheses was that there

2476
01:59:24,140 --> 01:59:21,389
were multi you know that different

2477
01:59:26,689 --> 01:59:24,150
universes were created depending on what

2478
01:59:28,910 --> 01:59:26,699
was observed but that's not like a sign

2479
01:59:30,740 --> 01:59:28,920
that that's not all that is is an idea

2480
01:59:32,300 --> 01:59:30,750
that was thrown out it's not something

2481
01:59:34,609 --> 01:59:32,310
that's been scientifically tested and

2482
01:59:36,169 --> 01:59:34,619
validated so a lot of times what happens

2483
01:59:38,510 --> 01:59:36,179
in the media is things like that get

2484
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:38,520
picked up and reported as if they are

2485
01:59:43,010 --> 01:59:41,730
valid scientific truth and that's kind

2486
01:59:45,110 --> 01:59:43,020
of what happened with the universe as a

2487
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:45,120
simulation thing

2488
01:59:50,570 --> 01:59:49,170
you know I I went through we got to hit

2489
01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:50,580
a break here in about two minutes but I

2490
01:59:53,870 --> 01:59:52,080
went through a heavy amount of research

2491
02:00:00,110 --> 01:59:53,880
over the last year into simulation

2492
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:00,120
theory and the those that are you know

2493
02:00:06,500 --> 02:00:03,290
like Leonard Susskind and you know these

2494
02:00:09,980 --> 02:00:06,510
theoretical physicists in quantum these

2495
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:09,990
guys are very very bright and for them

2496
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:12,810
to step back and say hey well you know

2497
02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:17,970
actually this is possible so it's a

2498
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:20,250
rabbit hole right Jason you go down this

2499
02:00:24,260 --> 02:00:21,690
rabbit hole you listen to these guys

2500
02:00:31,100 --> 02:00:24,270
that are a lot smarter than I am

2501
02:00:33,620 --> 02:00:31,110
and I don't think that they could be I

2502
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:33,630
think succored is the wrong word but

2503
02:00:39,380 --> 02:00:37,650
pull down a road that they wouldn't feel

2504
02:00:42,200 --> 02:00:39,390
comfortable with unless there was some

2505
02:00:44,030 --> 02:00:42,210
scientific fact behind it and that's the

2506
02:00:47,210 --> 02:00:44,040
frightening part was when you go and

2507
02:00:48,890 --> 02:00:47,220
listen to these theoretical physicists

2508
02:00:51,410 --> 02:00:48,900
and these string theory guys in these

2509
02:00:54,380 --> 02:00:51,420
quantum guys where they are suggesting

2510
02:00:57,590 --> 02:00:54,390
just that well you know math is math and

2511
02:01:00,620 --> 02:00:57,600
and this could be a simulation and

2512
02:01:02,390 --> 02:01:00,630
that's that's what's scary to me is you

2513
02:01:04,550 --> 02:01:02,400
start to believe because these are

2514
02:01:06,770 --> 02:01:04,560
people that are smarter than you you

2515
02:01:08,750 --> 02:01:06,780
know what I mean right but they could

2516
02:01:11,570 --> 02:01:08,760
also be saying you know just saying it's

2517
02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:11,580
possible all that that may mean is we

2518
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:13,290
haven't you know we haven't tested it

2519
02:01:17,210 --> 02:01:15,450
but we can't you know from the

2520
02:01:18,530 --> 02:01:17,220
scientific just in the scientific

2521
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:18,540
discourse I mean what they may be saying

2522
02:01:24,380 --> 02:01:20,490
by saying it's possible is just that we

2523
02:01:26,630 --> 02:01:24,390
can't invalidate it we get you know that

2524
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:26,640
we can't say that it's not true based on

2525
02:01:29,930 --> 02:01:28,410
current data but that it you know maybe

2526
02:01:31,850 --> 02:01:29,940
the experiments could be done to

2527
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:31,860
determine it so you know they're not

2528
02:01:35,450 --> 02:01:33,450
saying that it's true they're de saying

2529
02:01:37,370 --> 02:01:35,460
that you know we can't say it's not true

2530
02:01:39,830 --> 02:01:37,380
but that doesn't necessarily mean that

2531
02:01:41,810 --> 02:01:39,840
it's the case but you know it turns as a

2532
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:41,820
simulation theory is the universal

2533
02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:43,290
simulation well I mean this is what

2534
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:45,090
every religion says it's it's you know

2535
02:01:48,820 --> 02:01:46,890
if you believe in God then you believe

2536
02:01:51,220 --> 02:01:48,830
that the universe is is you know

2537
02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:51,230
creation it's the same as a simulation

2538
02:01:57,169 --> 02:01:54,690
so I think for spiritual people this is

2539
02:01:59,209 --> 02:01:57,179
not so disconcerting but

2540
02:02:01,219 --> 02:01:59,219
that's a heavy thought that one I got a

2541
02:02:02,479 --> 02:02:01,229
contemplate during this commercial right

2542
02:02:04,370 --> 02:02:02,489
that is heavy

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02:02:07,489 --> 02:02:04,380
that's heavy that was good that was good

2544
02:02:09,229 --> 02:02:07,499
our guest tonight Jason Louvre we're

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02:02:10,850 --> 02:02:09,239
talking tech we're gonna pick up where

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02:02:12,830 --> 02:02:10,860
we left off right after this short break

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I'm Jimmy church this is fade to black

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welcome back fade to black I'm you know

2633
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Jimmy Church you can follow me on

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great conversation about technology

2637
02:06:53,090 --> 02:06:49,660
tonight and now Jason I want to shift

2638
02:06:59,130 --> 02:06:53,100
gears a little bit and and talk about

2639
02:07:01,320 --> 02:06:59,140
our privacy on the Internet and also are

2640
02:07:06,660 --> 02:07:01,330
we at the point now where we have to

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02:07:09,780 --> 02:07:06,670
accept ourselves as a data set that that

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is the nature of things it's going to

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happen your personality your traits our

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data and valuable data and will be

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bought and sold and there's not much you

2646
02:07:23,820 --> 02:07:22,060
can do about it yeah I mean well if you

2647
02:07:26,660 --> 02:07:23,830
want to use Facebook absolutely the

2648
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:26,670
Facebook of course is the greatest

2649
02:07:33,030 --> 02:07:30,010
intruder into human privacy possibly in

2650
02:07:36,930 --> 02:07:33,040
in human history and then the other ones

2651
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:36,940
as well and if you want to can its

2652
02:07:41,220 --> 02:07:39,040
that's kind of the it's the it's the the

2653
02:07:43,620 --> 02:07:41,230
devil's bargain you know if you want to

2654
02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:43,630
play you want to get the Faustian power

2655
02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:45,730
of technology well you know the devil's

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02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:47,920
got to get it got to get something too

2657
02:07:52,920 --> 02:07:51,370
and that's how it is currently I mean

2658
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:52,930
there's things happening like the GDP

2659
02:07:57,480 --> 02:07:55,930
are in Europe you know things things are

2660
02:08:00,030 --> 02:07:57,490
certainly changing people are becoming

2661
02:08:01,560 --> 02:08:00,040
much more aware about about this there's

2662
02:08:03,810 --> 02:08:01,570
been a lot of pushback and I think that

2663
02:08:06,240 --> 02:08:03,820
people should be able to continue to

2664
02:08:12,150 --> 02:08:06,250
push back against invasion of their

2665
02:08:14,970 --> 02:08:12,160
privacy and but currently to all intents

2666
02:08:16,620 --> 02:08:14,980
and purposes yeah I mean if you ever use

2667
02:08:20,280 --> 02:08:16,630
Facebook you're a data set if you've

2668
02:08:21,720 --> 02:08:20,290
ever used Google you're a data set if

2669
02:08:23,010 --> 02:08:21,730
you've ever used Amazon you're a data

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02:08:25,050 --> 02:08:23,020
set if you've ever used

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you know net if you're gonna sit on the

2672
02:08:28,050 --> 02:08:26,290
web yeah exactly

2673
02:08:30,990 --> 02:08:28,060
you know but it's like but to be too

2674
02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:31,000
honest with you also you know as a small

2675
02:08:35,250 --> 02:08:33,280
businessman and you know doing business

2676
02:08:37,330 --> 02:08:35,260
online and using all these tools you

2677
02:08:41,900 --> 02:08:37,340
know it's it's

2678
02:08:43,400 --> 02:08:41,910
the flip side of that is it's this this

2679
02:08:46,850 --> 02:08:43,410
the ability to do this is pretty much

2680
02:08:49,070 --> 02:08:46,860
democratized and it's never been easier

2681
02:08:51,860 --> 02:08:49,080
to start a business than now I mean

2682
02:08:54,050 --> 02:08:51,870
anybody can get on use amazon web

2683
02:08:56,990 --> 02:08:54,060
servers on cloud services or google

2684
02:08:59,150 --> 02:08:57,000
cloud and use anyone can use facebook

2685
02:09:02,240 --> 02:08:59,160
advertising to target just the you know

2686
02:09:04,160 --> 02:09:02,250
you can create a product and build a

2687
02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:04,170
webpage to sell it and then use facebook

2688
02:09:09,110 --> 02:09:05,970
ads to target exactly the people that

2689
02:09:11,510 --> 02:09:09,120
you know want to buy it and and so this

2690
02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:11,520
isn't it's not like this stuff is only

2691
02:09:15,590 --> 02:09:13,770
in the hands of big corporations it's

2692
02:09:17,480 --> 02:09:15,600
it's it's also in the hands of anybody

2693
02:09:21,050 --> 02:09:17,490
who's willing to learn how to use it and

2694
02:09:23,900 --> 02:09:21,060
it's not that hard to learn so I think

2695
02:09:25,130 --> 02:09:23,910
it's just part of it's part of the

2696
02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:25,140
evolutionary process and the

2697
02:09:30,200 --> 02:09:28,650
evolutionary curve and it's it's you

2698
02:09:32,420 --> 02:09:30,210
know it's good and bad but there's a lot

2699
02:09:33,950 --> 02:09:32,430
of good you know I I would not want to

2700
02:09:36,680 --> 02:09:33,960
live it any other time in history than

2701
02:09:38,360 --> 02:09:36,690
this you know for a guy as nerdy as I am

2702
02:09:41,030 --> 02:09:38,370
technology allows me to live a pretty

2703
02:09:45,200 --> 02:09:41,040
good lifestyle yeah and and I can

2704
02:09:47,300 --> 02:09:45,210
appreciate all of that too but I again

2705
02:09:52,160 --> 02:09:47,310
to use the word flip side the other side

2706
02:09:56,440 --> 02:09:52,170
of this is so many millions hundreds of

2707
02:09:58,970 --> 02:09:56,450
millions were shocked to find out that

2708
02:10:01,940 --> 02:09:58,980
this type of collection was going on

2709
02:10:06,500 --> 02:10:01,950
when I went and looked at my facebook

2710
02:10:09,650 --> 02:10:06,510
file mine was 1.2 gigabytes

2711
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:09,660
I did notice others that were saying it

2712
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:12,000
was 250 megabytes or was 300 megabytes

2713
02:10:21,170 --> 02:10:16,890
but I went and looked and the the amount

2714
02:10:23,900 --> 02:10:21,180
of data that was there which was phone

2715
02:10:25,940 --> 02:10:23,910
numbers of contacts and people and and

2716
02:10:29,060 --> 02:10:25,950
and name it's some that I had never

2717
02:10:33,260 --> 02:10:29,070
contacted before certainly there was

2718
02:10:36,860 --> 02:10:33,270
information there in my data file that

2719
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:36,870
wasn't stuff that I had had and I'm

2720
02:10:41,540 --> 02:10:39,450
talking about personal information on

2721
02:10:44,720 --> 02:10:41,550
others and you go down there and you

2722
02:10:47,420 --> 02:10:44,730
look and there's phone numbers and and

2723
02:10:49,879 --> 02:10:47,430
addresses and information for people

2724
02:10:54,020 --> 02:10:49,889
that I don't even know but yet

2725
02:10:56,629 --> 02:10:54,030
they're in my facebook file and that's a

2726
02:10:58,549 --> 02:10:56,639
frightening thought what what if I'll

2727
02:10:59,889 --> 02:10:58,559
give you an example of where I think

2728
02:11:06,339 --> 02:10:59,899
this could be used in the wrong way

2729
02:11:09,429 --> 02:11:06,349
somebody gets arrested for murder in

2730
02:11:11,689 --> 02:11:09,439
Louisiana I don't know this person

2731
02:11:13,489 --> 02:11:11,699
they're not in my phonebook I've never

2732
02:11:15,620 --> 02:11:13,499
talked to him I don't know anything

2733
02:11:19,189 --> 02:11:15,630
about them but they go through their

2734
02:11:22,639 --> 02:11:19,199
data file and I pop up on that and I get

2735
02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:22,649
a phone call in an investigation for

2736
02:11:28,040 --> 02:11:25,530
somebody that I know nothing about and

2737
02:11:30,409 --> 02:11:28,050
that's and and now they're starting to

2738
02:11:35,509 --> 02:11:30,419
connect these dots through a spiderweb

2739
02:11:37,489 --> 02:11:35,519
of somebody that two people that have

2740
02:11:41,270 --> 02:11:37,499
never met that know nothing about each

2741
02:11:43,609 --> 02:11:41,280
other and yeah sure but hey I mean have

2742
02:11:45,109 --> 02:11:43,619
you ever have you ever looked at the

2743
02:11:48,109 --> 02:11:45,119
technology the private investigators

2744
02:11:49,879 --> 02:11:48,119
have yeah and see yes yes and that's the

2745
02:11:54,229 --> 02:11:49,889
that's the other powers actually going

2746
02:12:00,139 --> 02:11:54,239
to go there the the the one of the

2747
02:12:01,489 --> 02:12:00,149
biggest how do I want to say this I

2748
02:12:03,290 --> 02:12:01,499
don't want to say money-making but

2749
02:12:06,139 --> 02:12:03,300
certainly that's what it is is data

2750
02:12:08,659 --> 02:12:06,149
collection and and there are companies

2751
02:12:13,129 --> 02:12:08,669
out there that literally have a data

2752
02:12:17,419 --> 02:12:13,139
file file on every single person in the

2753
02:12:22,040 --> 02:12:17,429
United States every single one nobody is

2754
02:12:25,219 --> 02:12:22,050
off that list and the number one and

2755
02:12:28,069 --> 02:12:25,229
I've read so much on this the number one

2756
02:12:32,449 --> 02:12:28,079
data set that they want to acquire first

2757
02:12:35,239 --> 02:12:32,459
is a newborn because now from day one

2758
02:12:38,479 --> 02:12:35,249
you are able to get their complete

2759
02:12:40,429 --> 02:12:38,489
personality on file not from somebody

2760
02:12:42,949 --> 02:12:40,439
that's 35 right

2761
02:12:45,049 --> 02:12:42,959
okay you want somebody's traits and

2762
02:12:48,379 --> 02:12:45,059
Abbot's from the day that they are born

2763
02:12:52,219 --> 02:12:48,389
and and that's where they go first these

2764
02:12:54,350 --> 02:12:52,229
days now that that to me is is not cool

2765
02:12:58,120 --> 02:12:54,360
but it's where we are and I don't know

2766
02:13:00,760 --> 02:12:58,130
if that can be reversed it simply can't

2767
02:13:01,870 --> 02:13:00,770
right I mean one of the the point I was

2768
02:13:04,090 --> 02:13:01,880
gonna make about that private

2769
02:13:06,250 --> 02:13:04,100
investigator database is anybody with a

2770
02:13:08,260 --> 02:13:06,260
a licensed private license to be a

2771
02:13:10,090 --> 02:13:08,270
private investigator can it get access

2772
02:13:11,680 --> 02:13:10,100
you know for a small amount of money to

2773
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:11,690
a database where they can look you up

2774
02:13:18,190 --> 02:13:16,010
and see a visual web of everyone in your

2775
02:13:20,200 --> 02:13:18,200
social circle everyone you've been

2776
02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:20,210
connected to relatives who they're

2777
02:13:25,540 --> 02:13:22,850
connected to like you know three three

2778
02:13:27,190 --> 02:13:25,550
levels out everywhere you've lived so

2779
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:27,200
it's not like that information isn't

2780
02:13:33,160 --> 02:13:31,130
already there but of course you know the

2781
02:13:36,310 --> 02:13:33,170
name of the gold of the future is data

2782
02:13:38,050 --> 02:13:36,320
data is the most valuable substance on

2783
02:13:40,300 --> 02:13:38,060
the planet at the moment that's why all

2784
02:13:42,760 --> 02:13:40,310
these companies want it that's why these

2785
02:13:45,940 --> 02:13:42,770
big companies like Facebook ok Facebook

2786
02:13:47,890 --> 02:13:45,950
is Facebook will associate II know

2787
02:13:51,250 --> 02:13:47,900
they're a data collection company and

2788
02:13:53,350 --> 02:13:51,260
that data is really really important for

2789
02:13:56,290 --> 02:13:53,360
many reasons one is of course the

2790
02:13:58,300 --> 02:13:56,300
ability to collect information about

2791
02:14:00,310 --> 02:13:58,310
people that allows advertising to be

2792
02:14:02,140 --> 02:14:00,320
served to them accurately that's you

2793
02:14:04,720 --> 02:14:02,150
know advertising is how Google and

2794
02:14:07,030 --> 02:14:04,730
Facebook have become the among the

2795
02:14:08,440 --> 02:14:07,040
biggest companies on the planet and of

2796
02:14:10,420 --> 02:14:08,450
course working with Amazon you know

2797
02:14:13,540 --> 02:14:10,430
that's a that's how Amazon has become

2798
02:14:16,510 --> 02:14:13,550
the biggest retailer on the planet but

2799
02:14:19,320 --> 02:14:16,520
the other one is is training a is it's

2800
02:14:21,580 --> 02:14:19,330
not just predictive analysis and and

2801
02:14:23,620 --> 02:14:21,590
advertising but it's it's training a

2802
02:14:25,810 --> 02:14:23,630
eyes that's that's the next level of

2803
02:14:32,050 --> 02:14:25,820
this putting machine out of machine

2804
02:14:35,770 --> 02:14:32,060
learning algorithms to it I I went and

2805
02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:35,780
signed up this is a while ago but a

2806
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:40,970
credit protection age I'm not gonna say

2807
02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:42,410
which one but you know one of the big

2808
02:14:47,080 --> 02:14:45,290
names right so I go and I get it and one

2809
02:14:53,560 --> 02:14:47,090
of the you know so I get the premium

2810
02:14:56,650 --> 02:14:53,570
deluxe package right and one of the one

2811
02:14:59,680 --> 02:14:56,660
of the buttons as I log in right there's

2812
02:15:02,049 --> 02:14:59,690
is it's like your history right so I go

2813
02:15:05,560 --> 02:15:02,059
and I click on that and

2814
02:15:09,580 --> 02:15:05,570
okay I expected certain things there

2815
02:15:13,899 --> 02:15:09,590
were things there that I forgot and

2816
02:15:16,589 --> 02:15:13,909
didn't remember for instance where I

2817
02:15:19,750 --> 02:15:16,599
went to an elementary school in

2818
02:15:22,629 --> 02:15:19,760
Kalamazoo for like three months in the

2819
02:15:25,330 --> 02:15:22,639
second grade I it's listed right there

2820
02:15:27,580 --> 02:15:25,340
and I forgot the name of the school but

2821
02:15:30,580 --> 02:15:27,590
it's there and there was a chronological

2822
02:15:35,439 --> 02:15:30,590
history of everywhere that I lived on

2823
02:15:38,529 --> 02:15:35,449
this planet from when I was a kid now

2824
02:15:40,689 --> 02:15:38,539
not as an adult where you where you know

2825
02:15:43,390 --> 02:15:40,699
that you're in the system but I'm

2826
02:15:47,850 --> 02:15:43,400
talking about two three four five six

2827
02:15:51,879 --> 02:15:47,860
seven eight years old and that to me was

2828
02:15:54,939 --> 02:15:51,889
disturbing and that was public m'as I

2829
02:15:57,760 --> 02:15:54,949
had access to it but it's in their

2830
02:15:59,500 --> 02:15:57,770
database and that's nothing that's

2831
02:16:00,850 --> 02:15:59,510
nothing new that's nothing new I mean

2832
02:16:03,310 --> 02:16:00,860
that's just the reality of the world

2833
02:16:06,279 --> 02:16:03,320
that we live in right now

2834
02:16:07,959 --> 02:16:06,289
so I didn't be disturbed by it but I

2835
02:16:09,609 --> 02:16:07,969
mean that's been me things like that I

2836
02:16:11,890 --> 02:16:09,619
mean federal databases and things like

2837
02:16:14,620 --> 02:16:11,900
that that's existed for a long time and

2838
02:16:18,029 --> 02:16:14,630
how do we is there a way to protect our

2839
02:16:20,020 --> 02:16:18,039
information how do you protect yours

2840
02:16:22,209 --> 02:16:20,030
well that's a pretty complicated

2841
02:16:24,459 --> 02:16:22,219
question and and of course the first

2842
02:16:27,729 --> 02:16:24,469
question is what information I mean yes

2843
02:16:29,589 --> 02:16:27,739
you can opt out of data collection in

2844
02:16:31,330 --> 02:16:29,599
various ways you can certainly the best

2845
02:16:32,500 --> 02:16:31,340
way is just did not use Facebook if

2846
02:16:36,490 --> 02:16:32,510
you're really concerned about privacy

2847
02:16:40,290 --> 02:16:36,500
don't use Facebook but you know there's

2848
02:16:43,480 --> 02:16:40,300
a lot of ways using VPNs using tor using

2849
02:16:45,070 --> 02:16:43,490
certainly they're you know here's the

2850
02:16:47,169 --> 02:16:45,080
bottom line if you really want to learn

2851
02:16:49,419 --> 02:16:47,179
how to protect your information go to

2852
02:16:50,769 --> 02:16:49,429
the electronic freedom foundation so

2853
02:16:53,950 --> 02:16:50,779
it's e F F dot org

2854
02:16:57,849 --> 02:16:53,960
and they have guides user guides on how

2855
02:16:59,919 --> 02:16:57,859
to maintain anonymity on the Internet

2856
02:17:01,900 --> 02:16:59,929
and protect your information and there's

2857
02:17:04,660 --> 02:17:01,910
a lot of steps you know it's a real

2858
02:17:08,259 --> 02:17:04,670
multi-layered process but the big ones

2859
02:17:12,070 --> 02:17:08,269
are using a password manager using a VPN

2860
02:17:14,530 --> 02:17:12,080
using tor and then you can also get

2861
02:17:14,860 --> 02:17:14,540
browser extensions that will block all

2862
02:17:16,390 --> 02:17:14,870
that

2863
02:17:18,190 --> 02:17:16,400
Journal Java scripts and things like

2864
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:18,200
that from collecting and scraping your

2865
02:17:23,260 --> 02:17:20,810
data so there's there's a lot there's a

2866
02:17:26,050 --> 02:17:23,270
lot can be done of course it's quite

2867
02:17:28,840 --> 02:17:26,060
easy to protect your information from

2868
02:17:30,280 --> 02:17:28,850
let's say websites collecting it and

2869
02:17:32,169 --> 02:17:30,290
Facebook and things like that that's

2870
02:17:33,850 --> 02:17:32,179
pretty straightforward but when we talk

2871
02:17:35,890 --> 02:17:33,860
about pretty you know you know there's

2872
02:17:37,270 --> 02:17:35,900
there's no protection from the NSA or

2873
02:17:38,470 --> 02:17:37,280
something like that you know it's just

2874
02:17:41,860 --> 02:17:38,480
this is not gonna happen

2875
02:17:43,600 --> 02:17:41,870
they're so advanced and you know so it's

2876
02:17:45,459 --> 02:17:43,610
like you just have to live you have to

2877
02:17:48,669 --> 02:17:45,469
live in a world where you assume that

2878
02:17:50,560 --> 02:17:48,679
you're in public all the time and that's

2879
02:17:53,250 --> 02:17:50,570
just the reality of it now I mean that's

2880
02:17:56,560 --> 02:17:53,260
just that's just where we're at now

2881
02:17:59,440 --> 02:17:56,570
there's one last thing that I want to

2882
02:18:01,060 --> 02:17:59,450
spend some time on tonight which is when

2883
02:18:04,890 --> 02:18:01,070
we talk about Big Brother when we talk

2884
02:18:07,270 --> 02:18:04,900
about information we can't escape that

2885
02:18:10,030 --> 02:18:07,280
subject without talking about fake news

2886
02:18:10,800 --> 02:18:10,040
what we went through in 2016 we saw it

2887
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:10,810
coming

2888
02:18:15,970 --> 02:18:13,130
certainly we've been warned about it for

2889
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:15,980
a long time but we were faced with it on

2890
02:18:21,520 --> 02:18:18,880
a global scale this wasn't anything

2891
02:18:23,530 --> 02:18:21,530
isolated to any one country the internet

2892
02:18:29,459 --> 02:18:23,540
reaches around the world that's a given

2893
02:18:32,650 --> 02:18:29,469
but now we have to use our best judgment

2894
02:18:37,300 --> 02:18:32,660
constantly on what is real and what is

2895
02:18:40,300 --> 02:18:37,310
not and the mass media is was also and

2896
02:18:42,790 --> 02:18:40,310
still continues to to be a part of that

2897
02:18:48,129 --> 02:18:42,800
too as well and other websites out there

2898
02:18:52,450 --> 02:18:48,139
where they can guide emotion and and

2899
02:18:54,610 --> 02:18:52,460
fool people what again I I realized this

2900
02:18:58,480 --> 02:18:54,620
is the world that we are living in but

2901
02:19:00,370 --> 02:18:58,490
what do we do about this learn how to

2902
02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:00,380
think critically I mean it's the same

2903
02:19:05,680 --> 02:19:03,050
it's this look I mean what did we do

2904
02:19:07,690 --> 02:19:05,690
with television or a broadcast TV and

2905
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:07,700
cable I mean you don't think those were

2906
02:19:10,660 --> 02:19:09,050
manipulating your emotions

2907
02:19:12,879 --> 02:19:10,670
that's right selling you a false reality

2908
02:19:14,860 --> 02:19:12,889
it's not any different it's just a

2909
02:19:18,340 --> 02:19:14,870
little bit more frantic and sped up now

2910
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:18,350
so you know I think that the two things

2911
02:19:24,760 --> 02:19:22,240
that the two things that I really try to

2912
02:19:28,690 --> 02:19:24,770
hit people to or urge people to

2913
02:19:30,910 --> 02:19:28,700
investigate one is media literacy

2914
02:19:33,160 --> 02:19:30,920
critical thinking you know take a class

2915
02:19:35,080 --> 02:19:33,170
on media literacy or read a book on you

2916
02:19:36,759 --> 02:19:35,090
know understand how the media works the

2917
02:19:37,929 --> 02:19:36,769
media is not your friend and it's not

2918
02:19:39,940 --> 02:19:37,939
because there's sinister or

2919
02:19:43,870 --> 02:19:39,950
conspiratorial it's because their

2920
02:19:45,759 --> 02:19:43,880
business model is to drive attention to

2921
02:19:48,280 --> 02:19:45,769
sell ads that's the business model of

2922
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:48,290
the media and they figured out about

2923
02:19:55,179 --> 02:19:52,640
four years ago that rage anger is the

2924
02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:55,189
most viral emotion so all of these media

2925
02:19:59,050 --> 02:19:57,050
sources started trying to make people

2926
02:20:00,850 --> 02:19:59,060
outraged about things all the time with

2927
02:20:02,830 --> 02:20:00,860
headlines and clickbait and things like

2928
02:20:05,500 --> 02:20:02,840
that and we saw that fuel the election

2929
02:20:09,490 --> 02:20:05,510
on both sides of the political spectrum

2930
02:20:10,900 --> 02:20:09,500
right and and it's it's nonpartisan it's

2931
02:20:14,469 --> 02:20:10,910
just it's it's just how bit the

2932
02:20:15,670 --> 02:20:14,479
technology has been being abused and you

2933
02:20:17,800 --> 02:20:15,680
know I've worked in the media for my

2934
02:20:19,060 --> 02:20:17,810
whole life I've run media sites and

2935
02:20:21,820 --> 02:20:19,070
things like that so I know how the game

2936
02:20:22,330 --> 02:20:21,830
is played and the media is not your

2937
02:20:25,330 --> 02:20:22,340
friend

2938
02:20:27,460 --> 02:20:25,340
there they're there to sell ads okay

2939
02:20:29,740 --> 02:20:27,470
like and and just to get your eyeballs

2940
02:20:31,630 --> 02:20:29,750
on the ads they will do anything to get

2941
02:20:33,150 --> 02:20:31,640
your attention that's that that's the

2942
02:20:37,020 --> 02:20:33,160
business model that's how it works so

2943
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:37,030
the other thing is scientific literacy

2944
02:20:40,810 --> 02:20:39,290
that that's what we need more than

2945
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:40,820
anything and I know this is this is a

2946
02:20:44,170 --> 02:20:42,650
bit fresh coming from a guy like me but

2947
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:44,180
you know when it's a guy like me saying

2948
02:20:50,320 --> 02:20:47,930
that you know it's really serious but

2949
02:20:52,350 --> 02:20:50,330
you know what I'm one of my favorite

2950
02:20:54,910 --> 02:20:52,360
things that I've were one of the most

2951
02:20:56,590 --> 02:20:54,920
most intense experiences I've had I

2952
02:20:59,860 --> 02:20:56,600
listened to this course called

2953
02:21:02,679 --> 02:20:59,870
your deceptive mind by Steve dr. Steven

2954
02:21:04,990 --> 02:21:02,689
novella who's a neuroscientist and he

2955
02:21:08,200 --> 02:21:05,000
it's it's it's several hours long and

2956
02:21:11,560 --> 02:21:08,210
it's just about how our minds it's not

2957
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:11,570
only that the media deceives deceives us

2958
02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:13,610
our own minds deceive us because if you

2959
02:21:17,860 --> 02:21:15,920
don't understand science if you don't

2960
02:21:21,700 --> 02:21:17,870
understand it's the scientific method is

2961
02:21:23,260 --> 02:21:21,710
a check against human delusion and being

2962
02:21:25,810 --> 02:21:23,270
led around by your own emotions and

2963
02:21:28,480 --> 02:21:25,820
wishful thinking and confirmation bias

2964
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:28,490
and what we wish to be true that's that

2965
02:21:32,469 --> 02:21:30,650
that's the biggest problem it's not the

2966
02:21:34,840 --> 02:21:32,479
technology the technology and the

2967
02:21:37,150 --> 02:21:34,850
technology and mabel's our worst aspects

2968
02:21:41,880 --> 02:21:37,160
the technology just enables us the issue

2969
02:21:44,429 --> 02:21:41,890
is that we we assume what is true

2970
02:21:46,139 --> 02:21:44,439
what we want to be true that's the

2971
02:21:48,420 --> 02:21:46,149
problem that's the bug in human

2972
02:21:50,099 --> 02:21:48,430
consciousness we want something to when

2973
02:21:51,899 --> 02:21:50,109
you want something to be true you will

2974
02:21:53,760 --> 02:21:51,909
look for evidence of it being true and

2975
02:21:56,370 --> 02:21:53,770
you will discount evidence of it not

2976
02:21:58,500 --> 02:21:56,380
being true and if that fundamental

2977
02:22:01,710 --> 02:21:58,510
cognitive bias is not checked by

2978
02:22:03,899 --> 02:22:01,720
something like either this you know the

2979
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:03,909
scientific method or just hanging out

2980
02:22:06,059 --> 02:22:05,290
and talking to people that don't agree

2981
02:22:09,149 --> 02:22:06,069
with you

2982
02:22:12,360 --> 02:22:09,159
then you you just end up in a tunnel of

2983
02:22:14,010 --> 02:22:12,370
delusion and so I think yeah critical

2984
02:22:15,809 --> 02:22:14,020
thinking scientific thinking media

2985
02:22:17,700 --> 02:22:15,819
literacy but it's the same now as it's

2986
02:22:19,410 --> 02:22:17,710
ever been I mean you you look back at

2987
02:22:23,189 --> 02:22:19,420
the Middle Ages look at the crazy stuff

2988
02:22:25,170 --> 02:22:23,199
they believed you know or you know you

2989
02:22:27,870 --> 02:22:25,180
know this is not a new problem

2990
02:22:29,880 --> 02:22:27,880
yeah when when humanity is superstitious

2991
02:22:33,120 --> 02:22:29,890
it's crazy

2992
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:33,130
for me to look back at what we

2993
02:22:40,439 --> 02:22:38,800
experienced in 2016 I had said I must

2994
02:22:41,729 --> 02:22:40,449
have said it a thousand times on this

2995
02:22:46,050 --> 02:22:41,739
program over the years

2996
02:22:46,679 --> 02:22:46,060
take whatever news headline that you're

2997
02:22:49,679 --> 02:22:46,689
reading

2998
02:22:52,469 --> 02:22:49,689
flip it over 180 degrees and then you're

2999
02:22:55,830 --> 02:22:52,479
probably closer to the truth and and

3000
02:22:59,910 --> 02:22:55,840
what I had said as an example Jason is

3001
02:23:03,450 --> 02:22:59,920
the headline reads cheddar cheese will

3002
02:23:06,269 --> 02:23:03,460
kill you that's the headline right okay

3003
02:23:09,059 --> 02:23:06,279
well the truth is cheddar cheese will

3004
02:23:13,950 --> 02:23:09,069
make you live longer right a bit but

3005
02:23:16,530 --> 02:23:13,960
whatever it is flip it over and then and

3006
02:23:20,479 --> 02:23:16,540
I tried to drive that home and when when

3007
02:23:23,639 --> 02:23:20,489
the fake news stuff started to happen

3008
02:23:27,870 --> 02:23:23,649
from Macedonia or whatever was coming

3009
02:23:30,260 --> 02:23:27,880
out when all of those stories started to

3010
02:23:35,099 --> 02:23:30,270
break and I would see two identical

3011
02:23:37,490 --> 02:23:35,109
stories one that said I'm making this up

3012
02:23:46,349 --> 02:23:37,500
I'm paraphrasing but one that says

3013
02:23:51,269 --> 02:23:46,359
Hilary arrested today for reading Donald

3014
02:23:54,570 --> 02:23:51,279
Trump's emails and sexual acts with with

3015
02:23:55,440 --> 02:23:54,580
you know rabbits right so and then and

3016
02:23:58,950 --> 02:23:55,450
then

3017
02:24:03,631 --> 02:23:58,960
right after that Trump arrested today

3018
02:24:06,180 --> 02:24:03,641
for read for sexual acts with rabbits it

3019
02:24:08,940 --> 02:24:06,190
is just like and and everybody flaming

3020
02:24:11,370 --> 02:24:08,950
up and believing what they were saying

3021
02:24:13,620 --> 02:24:11,380
and in the in these thing and they

3022
02:24:15,660 --> 02:24:13,630
wanted to believe it and no matter what

3023
02:24:17,520 --> 02:24:15,670
they wouldn't go and and take it one

3024
02:24:19,950 --> 02:24:17,530
step further like you're saying go and

3025
02:24:22,921 --> 02:24:19,960
check the source of this that's all you

3026
02:24:26,040 --> 02:24:22,931
got to do find both sides you're right

3027
02:24:26,341 --> 02:24:26,050
it was not partisan it was all over the

3028
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:26,351
place

3029
02:24:32,940 --> 02:24:30,010
and it was it enabled everybody to just

3030
02:24:36,210 --> 02:24:32,950
argue and fight where they would never

3031
02:24:38,881 --> 02:24:36,220
fight before it was effective well

3032
02:24:40,740 --> 02:24:38,891
that's and that absolutely is the case

3033
02:24:43,230 --> 02:24:40,750
on both sides all sides of the political

3034
02:24:45,330 --> 02:24:43,240
fence and what what I came to realize is

3035
02:24:46,980 --> 02:24:45,340
that when people particularly it seems

3036
02:24:48,900 --> 02:24:46,990
to really be the case with Facebook

3037
02:24:51,060 --> 02:24:48,910
because Facebook is about sharing it's a

3038
02:24:53,430 --> 02:24:51,070
sharing medium and by its very nature

3039
02:24:54,750 --> 02:24:53,440
you're not looking at the whole of the

3040
02:24:56,640 --> 02:24:54,760
news when you read the New York Times

3041
02:24:57,930 --> 02:24:56,650
you get all of the news for the day when

3042
02:25:02,490 --> 02:24:57,940
you're looking on Facebook you just see

3043
02:25:05,160 --> 02:25:02,500
little bits and pieces flying by and the

3044
02:25:07,740 --> 02:25:05,170
thing is that when people share things

3045
02:25:09,301 --> 02:25:07,750
when they read things when they comment

3046
02:25:12,810 --> 02:25:09,311
on things and when they fight about

3047
02:25:13,980 --> 02:25:12,820
things they're it's very rarely about

3048
02:25:15,990 --> 02:25:13,990
they're not concerned with what the

3049
02:25:17,640 --> 02:25:16,000
actual information is they're concerned

3050
02:25:19,530 --> 02:25:17,650
about the the feeling they're getting

3051
02:25:21,390 --> 02:25:19,540
the hit they're getting and what feeling

3052
02:25:22,950 --> 02:25:21,400
of anger the feeling of rage you see a

3053
02:25:25,051 --> 02:25:22,960
headline and you get angry that's it

3054
02:25:26,881 --> 02:25:25,061
that's an addiction right you feel that

3055
02:25:29,900 --> 02:25:26,891
you become addicted to the feeling you

3056
02:25:32,011 --> 02:25:29,910
seek it out and the the the feeling of

3057
02:25:33,450 --> 02:25:32,021
fighting other people the feeling of

3058
02:25:35,580 --> 02:25:33,460
being right I mean I know this is

3059
02:25:37,950 --> 02:25:35,590
because I've done so much of it but but

3060
02:25:40,230 --> 02:25:37,960
it's an addictive feeling and I they

3061
02:25:44,551 --> 02:25:40,240
know that and I know and I you know when

3062
02:25:47,640 --> 02:25:44,561
I was when I was running more more

3063
02:25:50,160 --> 02:25:47,650
frequently ultra culture my blog was

3064
02:25:52,350 --> 02:25:50,170
covering political things you know like

3065
02:25:55,230 --> 02:25:52,360
you know I I knew that so I knew it was

3066
02:25:58,740 --> 02:25:55,240
so easy for me to manipulate the media

3067
02:26:00,330 --> 02:25:58,750
by doing that I by stoking people's rage

3068
02:26:01,921 --> 02:26:00,340
I think I figured that out before this

3069
02:26:04,830 --> 02:26:01,931
is way before fake news I figured that

3070
02:26:06,960 --> 02:26:04,840
out way before most people did and I was

3071
02:26:09,060 --> 02:26:06,970
able to get for instance I did some

3072
02:26:10,860 --> 02:26:09,070
reporting on Monsanto and and I

3073
02:26:13,051 --> 02:26:10,870
figured out how they were manipulating

3074
02:26:14,251 --> 02:26:13,061
the political process and the media and

3075
02:26:16,261 --> 02:26:14,261
things like that and I wrote an article

3076
02:26:18,180 --> 02:26:16,271
around it and I was able to build up

3077
02:26:20,011 --> 02:26:18,190
people's rage around it then it got to

3078
02:26:22,020 --> 02:26:20,021
like the top of Reddit it was like

3079
02:26:24,751 --> 02:26:22,030
number three article on reddit and I

3080
02:26:26,930 --> 02:26:24,761
just understood right then how easy it

3081
02:26:29,190 --> 02:26:26,940
was to manipulate the system by it's

3082
02:26:30,810 --> 02:26:29,200
provoking people's emotions but then of

3083
02:26:34,230 --> 02:26:30,820
course we saw this use to such a

3084
02:26:36,030 --> 02:26:34,240
devastating effect in the 2016 election

3085
02:26:38,461 --> 02:26:36,040
whether it was by Cambridge analytical

3086
02:26:40,770 --> 02:26:38,471
and Bannon or the Russians you know just

3087
02:26:42,690 --> 02:26:40,780
this wide scale you know I thought I was

3088
02:26:45,751 --> 02:26:42,700
clever figuring some of these this stuff

3089
02:26:47,850 --> 02:26:45,761
out to use it for good purposes but lo

3090
02:26:51,240 --> 02:26:47,860
and behold then an extra state at or

3091
02:26:53,881 --> 02:26:51,250
another state actor can come in and just

3092
02:26:56,070 --> 02:26:53,891
you know throw the chess board and just

3093
02:26:57,870 --> 02:26:56,080
you know break down the entire political

3094
02:26:59,671 --> 02:26:57,880
process by manipulating things through

3095
02:27:02,580 --> 02:26:59,681
Facebook it's unbelievable

3096
02:27:05,551 --> 02:27:02,590
yeah look at something you know

3097
02:27:08,700 --> 02:27:05,561
satirical like the onion brilliant

3098
02:27:13,230 --> 02:27:08,710
writing really funny I get it I know

3099
02:27:18,541 --> 02:27:13,240
what I'm reading at the time but yet

3100
02:27:22,171 --> 02:27:18,551
even those other who were quoting the

3101
02:27:24,390 --> 02:27:22,181
onion on these crazy funny stories but

3102
02:27:30,291 --> 02:27:24,400
they never checked the source and they

3103
02:27:34,890 --> 02:27:30,301
just assumed that you're right the rage

3104
02:27:36,930 --> 02:27:34,900
the ability to to get those whatever it

3105
02:27:39,211 --> 02:27:36,940
is I chemical change that is happening

3106
02:27:41,100 --> 02:27:39,221
where they're enjoying that part of it

3107
02:27:44,820 --> 02:27:41,110
and they're not going back and checking

3108
02:27:48,360 --> 02:27:44,830
and I read today or I think it was

3109
02:27:52,560 --> 02:27:48,370
yesterday a very funny article on on on

3110
02:27:55,860 --> 02:27:52,570
the onion which was Border Patrol agents

3111
02:27:59,370 --> 02:27:55,870
listen to this Jason Border Patrol

3112
02:28:03,541 --> 02:27:59,380
agents throw pregnant Mexican woman back

3113
02:28:06,390 --> 02:28:03,551
over the wall I saw that all right well

3114
02:28:08,310 --> 02:28:06,400
I mean just out rate the reactions on

3115
02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:08,320
the internet I'm like it do you honestly

3116
02:28:12,961 --> 02:28:11,290
believe that that happened well I had to

3117
02:28:15,150 --> 02:28:12,971
look twice when I saw because things

3118
02:28:17,100 --> 02:28:15,160
were so unbelievably vicious and but

3119
02:28:18,421 --> 02:28:17,110
it'll right now then I realized it at

3120
02:28:19,890 --> 02:28:18,431
but out a second and that it was the

3121
02:28:21,740 --> 02:28:19,900
onion but it's like the weight thing the

3122
02:28:26,960 --> 02:28:21,750
way things are going you had I had to

3123
02:28:30,650 --> 02:28:26,970
it's like terrifying I you know and and

3124
02:28:32,719 --> 02:28:30,660
I appreciate the satire and when you

3125
02:28:34,700 --> 02:28:32,729
read something like that on the onion

3126
02:28:39,320 --> 02:28:34,710
certainly I have a I have a mind that

3127
02:28:42,679 --> 02:28:39,330
enjoys that stuff but it is a barometer

3128
02:28:45,620 --> 02:28:42,689
of where we are with society today the

3129
02:28:48,920 --> 02:28:45,630
satire is great this is what is is

3130
02:28:51,170 --> 02:28:48,930
making everybody mad is these kinds of

3131
02:28:54,469 --> 02:28:51,180
stories that's what the onion is trying

3132
02:28:58,309 --> 02:28:54,479
to say here right and and I get that but

3133
02:29:00,830 --> 02:28:58,319
the the the the the vast audience out

3134
02:29:02,809 --> 02:29:00,840
there just has blinders on you know and

3135
02:29:04,849 --> 02:29:02,819
they see that and they get outraged and

3136
02:29:06,979 --> 02:29:04,859
the next thing you know with all of this

3137
02:29:08,780 --> 02:29:06,989
immigration stuff going on well we're

3138
02:29:13,250 --> 02:29:08,790
also throwing pregnant women over the

3139
02:29:15,679 --> 02:29:13,260
walls you know I don't know what to do

3140
02:29:18,760 --> 02:29:15,689
with that well it's dangerous and it's

3141
02:29:22,639 --> 02:29:18,770
it's you know the deeper issue is that

3142
02:29:23,150 --> 02:29:22,649
it's but this is how human consciousness

3143
02:29:25,040 --> 02:29:23,160
works

3144
02:29:27,500 --> 02:29:25,050
anyways I mean Facebook demonstrates

3145
02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:27,510
confirmation bias we look for what we

3146
02:29:30,440 --> 02:29:29,010
want to be true and then assume it's

3147
02:29:33,280 --> 02:29:30,450
true and Facebook just makes that

3148
02:29:35,929 --> 02:29:33,290
literally not only literally tangibly

3149
02:29:38,870 --> 02:29:35,939
true and visible but also easy to

3150
02:29:41,179 --> 02:29:38,880
manipulate there is a great documentary

3151
02:29:44,410 --> 02:29:41,189
called hyper normalization put out by

3152
02:29:47,929 --> 02:29:44,420
Adam Kurdistan famous documentary maker

3153
02:29:49,190 --> 02:29:47,939
that goes into how much the Facebook

3154
02:29:51,290 --> 02:29:49,200
algorithms and the ton of the

3155
02:29:54,260 --> 02:29:51,300
information tunnels were responsible for

3156
02:29:57,469 --> 02:29:54,270
what happened in 2016 and draws

3157
02:30:00,019 --> 02:29:57,479
parallels to how propaganda you know how

3158
02:30:02,929 --> 02:30:00,029
state control is handled in Russia where

3159
02:30:05,750 --> 02:30:02,939
under Putin the doctrine you know Putin

3160
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:05,760
has this guy named tserkov who's who has

3161
02:30:11,019 --> 02:30:08,250
figured out that the way to maintain

3162
02:30:13,910 --> 02:30:11,029
control over a population is not to

3163
02:30:16,309 --> 02:30:13,920
squash protest movements it's to

3164
02:30:18,050 --> 02:30:16,319
manufacture and create hundreds of

3165
02:30:21,729 --> 02:30:18,060
different protest movements all of which

3166
02:30:24,050 --> 02:30:21,739
have different agendas and then

3167
02:30:27,229 --> 02:30:24,060
propagate them into the public so nobody

3168
02:30:29,090 --> 02:30:27,239
knows what's going on and and turn

3169
02:30:30,679 --> 02:30:29,100
everything into like a theater piece and

3170
02:30:33,950 --> 02:30:30,689
that's that's the same strategy they

3171
02:30:35,510 --> 02:30:33,960
used in hacking the election or hacking

3172
02:30:39,260 --> 02:30:35,520
Facebook and Twitter on hacking

3173
02:30:41,689 --> 02:30:39,270
but manipulating Facebook in 2016 where

3174
02:30:44,179 --> 02:30:41,699
they were you know creating all these

3175
02:30:46,099 --> 02:30:44,189
Facebook pages for fake social groups

3176
02:30:47,599 --> 02:30:46,109
and it didn't matter what the social

3177
02:30:48,920 --> 02:30:47,609
group was what the protest group was you

3178
02:30:50,420 --> 02:30:48,930
know they were doing white nationalist

3179
02:30:53,269 --> 02:30:50,430
pages they were doing black lives matter

3180
02:30:57,830 --> 02:30:53,279
they were doing yes everything and and

3181
02:31:00,920 --> 02:30:57,840
as long as they could create confusion

3182
02:31:03,769 --> 02:31:00,930
and they were even organizing flash mobs

3183
02:31:05,599 --> 02:31:03,779
from Russia really creating events on

3184
02:31:07,519 --> 02:31:05,609
Facebook to get people to all show up in

3185
02:31:09,979 --> 02:31:07,529
a public place at once to in creating

3186
02:31:12,670 --> 02:31:09,989
protests remotely with nobody being the

3187
02:31:16,250 --> 02:31:12,680
wiser that it was coming from Russia so

3188
02:31:17,929 --> 02:31:16,260
you know this is this is this is pretty

3189
02:31:19,700 --> 02:31:17,939
sophisticated stuff China is now

3190
02:31:21,620 --> 02:31:19,710
apparently kidding getting in on the

3191
02:31:23,719 --> 02:31:21,630
same act there they were quite impressed

3192
02:31:24,889 --> 02:31:23,729
by what Russia did in the election and

3193
02:31:27,380 --> 02:31:24,899
they're trying to figure out how to do

3194
02:31:30,139 --> 02:31:27,390
it also so yeah this is the future this

3195
02:31:32,689 --> 02:31:30,149
is what we live in oh yeah why not why

3196
02:31:35,840 --> 02:31:32,699
not it's it's genius when you think

3197
02:31:40,309 --> 02:31:35,850
about it and that's where we are the the

3198
02:31:42,349 --> 02:31:40,319
ability to if you have and I know this

3199
02:31:45,950 --> 02:31:42,359
sounds elemental but it's really true if

3200
02:31:47,960 --> 02:31:45,960
you have ten million five million ten

3201
02:31:52,279 --> 02:31:47,970
million Twitter followers

3202
02:31:56,330 --> 02:31:52,289
it only takes the click of a mouse to

3203
02:32:00,469 --> 02:31:56,340
change emotion in a nanosecond that's it

3204
02:32:02,479 --> 02:32:00,479
and and if you understand that which

3205
02:32:04,969 --> 02:32:02,489
many do now

3206
02:32:07,010 --> 02:32:04,979
that's where we are today and it just

3207
02:32:10,910 --> 02:32:07,020
doesn't matter and we have to figure out

3208
02:32:13,729 --> 02:32:10,920
a way to use judgment like you say and

3209
02:32:14,719 --> 02:32:13,739
I'm totally with you on that Jason I

3210
02:32:17,059 --> 02:32:14,729
want to thank you

3211
02:32:18,559 --> 02:32:17,069
just an absolutely amazing conversation

3212
02:32:22,010 --> 02:32:18,569
tonight what are you working on now

3213
02:32:23,569 --> 02:32:22,020
what's the next book well I'm still

3214
02:32:25,639 --> 02:32:23,579
promoting this one so the new book is

3215
02:32:28,040 --> 02:32:25,649
John Dee and the Empire of Angels the

3216
02:32:29,929 --> 02:32:28,050
story of the last 500 years of a cult

3217
02:32:31,490 --> 02:32:29,939
history that's been going on behind the

3218
02:32:34,580 --> 02:32:31,500
scenes and the secret societies that

3219
02:32:37,130 --> 02:32:34,590
have been manipulating history and and

3220
02:32:39,620 --> 02:32:37,140
consciousness you can find all of my

3221
02:32:41,149 --> 02:32:39,630
projects at Jason lucam

3222
02:32:44,029 --> 02:32:41,159
right now I'm putting a ton of effort

3223
02:32:45,830 --> 02:32:44,039
into my podcast which is you know I've

3224
02:32:48,500 --> 02:32:45,840
been getting all this equipment for that

3225
02:32:49,370 --> 02:32:48,510
is ultra culture with Jason Lube you can

3226
02:32:51,350 --> 02:32:49,380
find it anywhere

3227
02:32:53,420 --> 02:32:51,360
you can find podcasts for people who are

3228
02:32:55,880 --> 02:32:53,430
interested in the technology side I

3229
02:32:58,580 --> 02:32:55,890
really urge you to check out my course

3230
02:33:01,190 --> 02:32:58,590
Bitcoin insider which is Bitcoin insider

3231
02:33:04,160 --> 02:33:01,200
do it should really be called blockchain

3232
02:33:06,679 --> 02:33:04,170
insider because it's the total training

3233
02:33:09,830 --> 02:33:06,689
on how to understand the blockchain how

3234
02:33:11,570 --> 02:33:09,840
to profit from it how to understand how

3235
02:33:13,340 --> 02:33:11,580
this Promethean technology is going to

3236
02:33:15,650 --> 02:33:13,350
change everything around us in the next

3237
02:33:18,440 --> 02:33:15,660
10 to 20 years that's the master course

3238
02:33:22,370 --> 02:33:18,450
in understanding Bitcoin blockchain and

3239
02:33:24,889 --> 02:33:22,380
cryptocurrency both to personally profit

3240
02:33:27,080 --> 02:33:24,899
from it and to think about using it in

3241
02:33:30,230 --> 02:33:27,090
ways to do things other than just

3242
02:33:32,900 --> 02:33:30,240
focusing on money using it to create

3243
02:33:34,790 --> 02:33:32,910
companies to make your to do your job

3244
02:33:37,570 --> 02:33:34,800
better to bring to the company that you

3245
02:33:41,480 --> 02:33:37,580
work at to supercharge and accelerate

3246
02:33:43,880 --> 02:33:41,490
the way that business is done I truly do

3247
02:33:45,500 --> 02:33:43,890
believe that blockchain along with AI

3248
02:33:48,020 --> 02:33:45,510
and some of and CRISPR and some of these

3249
02:33:50,179 --> 02:33:48,030
other things blockchain will radically

3250
02:33:52,610 --> 02:33:50,189
transform everything in our society just

3251
02:33:56,179 --> 02:33:52,620
like the web did right now we're at the

3252
02:33:59,270 --> 02:33:56,189
kind of 1997 moment where we were with

3253
02:34:00,770 --> 02:33:59,280
with the web in 1997 or 1998 that's

3254
02:34:03,650 --> 02:34:00,780
that's where we are with blockchain

3255
02:34:05,270 --> 02:34:03,660
right now it's about two right now every

3256
02:34:07,190 --> 02:34:05,280
only thing that people know about it is

3257
02:34:08,240 --> 02:34:07,200
oh Bitcoin and that type of thing but

3258
02:34:09,560 --> 02:34:08,250
they don't understand that this

3259
02:34:11,960 --> 02:34:09,570
technology is going to fundamentally

3260
02:34:13,730 --> 02:34:11,970
transform society as profoundly as the

3261
02:34:16,190 --> 02:34:13,740
web did and so if you want to be in on

3262
02:34:19,250 --> 02:34:16,200
the ground floor of that the course is

3263
02:34:21,500 --> 02:34:19,260
Bitcoin insider dot it's it's one of its

3264
02:34:22,550 --> 02:34:21,510
the best course I've ever done so I'm

3265
02:34:30,080 --> 02:34:22,560
gonna go check that out

3266
02:34:33,020 --> 02:34:30,090
haven't spoken to you about our platform

3267
02:34:35,000 --> 02:34:33,030
that we have launched and our social

3268
02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:35,010
media network and it's called on stellar

3269
02:34:42,110 --> 02:34:40,170
ons te ll a are calm and it's based on

3270
02:34:44,510 --> 02:34:42,120
the blockchain is so that is the

3271
02:34:46,700 --> 02:34:44,520
foundation of it we don't have any

3272
02:34:48,500 --> 02:34:46,710
advertising or data mining everything is

3273
02:34:53,719 --> 02:34:48,510
locked down with the blockchain just

3274
02:34:55,130 --> 02:34:53,729
like you said and all information of you

3275
02:34:56,870 --> 02:34:55,140
know uploads and downloads and

3276
02:34:59,810 --> 02:34:56,880
communications everything is preserved

3277
02:35:02,079 --> 02:34:59,820
and unaltered in the blockchain but the

3278
02:35:06,260 --> 02:35:02,089
other part of it is

3279
02:35:08,630 --> 02:35:06,270
our little token economy with our our

3280
02:35:14,409 --> 02:35:08,640
token that we have it's called on

3281
02:35:17,630 --> 02:35:14,419
stellar and it's a way to our conspiracy

3282
02:35:19,849 --> 02:35:17,640
supernatural paranormal community can go

3283
02:35:22,550 --> 02:35:19,859
and share information and everything is

3284
02:35:25,579 --> 02:35:22,560
based on the blockchain and it's token

3285
02:35:29,899 --> 02:35:25,589
economy but it's a way not only through

3286
02:35:34,880 --> 02:35:29,909
videos like YouTube or that type of

3287
02:35:38,119 --> 02:35:34,890
stuff but to promote and research and

3288
02:35:41,510 --> 02:35:38,129
and get rewarded for that I believe it

3289
02:35:44,090 --> 02:35:41,520
is internet 3.0 everything that is out

3290
02:35:47,449 --> 02:35:44,100
there now like we are talking about

3291
02:35:49,729 --> 02:35:47,459
whether it's Google or or Facebook or

3292
02:35:52,429 --> 02:35:49,739
YouTube or Twitter it doesn't or

3293
02:35:55,369 --> 02:35:52,439
Instagram that's all technology from

3294
02:35:58,550 --> 02:35:55,379
1998 and we've got to take the Internet

3295
02:36:00,889 --> 02:35:58,560
into its next phase and I do call it

3296
02:36:04,909 --> 02:36:00,899
Internet 3.0 and I think the blockchain

3297
02:36:07,719 --> 02:36:04,919
can be used for anything anything that's

3298
02:36:10,069 --> 02:36:07,729
you know anything that you want to do

3299
02:36:12,619 --> 02:36:10,079
there's a way to incorporate the

3300
02:36:14,719 --> 02:36:12,629
blockchain into it and that is the

3301
02:36:16,189 --> 02:36:14,729
future and I'm totally with you on that

3302
02:36:16,429 --> 02:36:16,199
I'm gonna go check out your course for

3303
02:36:19,219 --> 02:36:16,439
sure

3304
02:36:21,469 --> 02:36:19,229
nice yeah I mean just the web as it

3305
02:36:23,929 --> 02:36:21,479
currently exists runs off of yeah

3306
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:23,939
database technology from the 90s you

3307
02:36:31,429 --> 02:36:25,680
know PHP and things like that that's

3308
02:36:33,109 --> 02:36:31,439
right and so or excuse me my sequel

3309
02:36:35,239 --> 02:36:33,119
things like that and everything's gonna

3310
02:36:37,249 --> 02:36:35,249
blockchain is gonna replace that it's

3311
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:37,259
gonna be the backbone of how information

3312
02:36:41,599 --> 02:36:39,930
is moved around the world yes all of

3313
02:36:43,849 --> 02:36:41,609
this all of this that we're talking

3314
02:36:49,130 --> 02:36:43,859
about yeah there's no question about it

3315
02:36:55,429 --> 02:36:49,140
and so when the on stellar design

3316
02:36:57,739 --> 02:36:55,439
thought started to build Facebook the we

3317
02:37:00,469 --> 02:36:57,749
I don't want to say this in a weird way

3318
02:37:04,489 --> 02:37:00,479
but we had the vision for it right and

3319
02:37:07,969 --> 02:37:04,499
the team at on stellar and and then

3320
02:37:10,010 --> 02:37:07,979
Facebook got caught cambridge everything

3321
02:37:12,889 --> 02:37:10,020
happened and it was the best advertising

3322
02:37:14,580 --> 02:37:12,899
that we could do because we didn't even

3323
02:37:18,360 --> 02:37:14,590
have to advertise Zuckerberg

3324
02:37:20,250 --> 02:37:18,370
of wars in that here we have the

3325
02:37:22,230 --> 02:37:20,260
platform that is the future and these

3326
02:37:25,070 --> 02:37:22,240
are the reasons why go listen to

3327
02:37:28,020 --> 02:37:25,080
Zuckerberg that's all we have to do and

3328
02:37:30,570 --> 02:37:28,030
and we've taken off it is a great social

3329
02:37:32,520 --> 02:37:30,580
media platform we've got all of the

3330
02:37:35,370 --> 02:37:32,530
technology and wants and needs that

3331
02:37:37,160 --> 02:37:35,380
anybody desires from a social media

3332
02:37:40,410 --> 02:37:37,170
platform but there's no advertising

3333
02:37:41,400 --> 02:37:40,420
there's no data mining there's none of

3334
02:37:44,190 --> 02:37:41,410
that there

3335
02:37:47,160 --> 02:37:44,200
there's no censorship you know it is a

3336
02:37:53,160 --> 02:37:47,170
beautiful free place to be remember

3337
02:37:56,250 --> 02:37:53,170
Jason let's go back to 1995 1996 1997

3338
02:37:58,800 --> 02:37:56,260
the first time you saw a pop-up ad and

3339
02:38:02,450 --> 02:37:58,810
he wanted to throw your laptop out the

3340
02:38:05,370 --> 02:38:02,460
window you remember how angry you were

3341
02:38:08,010 --> 02:38:05,380
right right yeah well there's none of

3342
02:38:10,050 --> 02:38:08,020
that here when I go over to Facebook

3343
02:38:13,080 --> 02:38:10,060
these days or anywhere and I and I'm

3344
02:38:16,170 --> 02:38:13,090
scrolling through and I see every other

3345
02:38:19,380 --> 02:38:16,180
post is an advertisement it just it

3346
02:38:22,530 --> 02:38:19,390
offends me and you go over to on stellar

3347
02:38:25,980 --> 02:38:22,540
and there's no advertising it's nothing

3348
02:38:28,139 --> 02:38:25,990
but you and thought and interaction and

3349
02:38:29,849 --> 02:38:28,149
it's light like I said it's the next

3350
02:38:31,590 --> 02:38:29,859
phase of the internet it's truly

3351
02:38:33,050 --> 02:38:31,600
internet 3.0 I couldn't agree with you

3352
02:38:35,460 --> 02:38:33,060
more

3353
02:38:38,070 --> 02:38:35,470
all right well it was great to be on the

3354
02:38:40,440 --> 02:38:38,080
show and I appreciate you having me back

3355
02:38:42,570 --> 02:38:40,450
on thank you so much Jason behave and be

3356
02:38:46,410 --> 02:38:42,580
well all right talk to you later

3357
02:38:49,710 --> 02:38:46,420
Jason Louv and it's very simple jason

3358
02:38:51,960 --> 02:38:49,720
louvre dot-com the links are over at

3359
02:38:55,080 --> 02:38:51,970
Jimmy Turks radio.com and of course you

3360
02:38:57,960 --> 02:38:55,090
can follow Jason on twitter at jasonlew

3361
02:39:00,120 --> 02:38:57,970
all of his books are there and John D in

3362
02:39:03,240 --> 02:39:00,130
the Empire of Angels which I've now read

3363
02:39:04,679 --> 02:39:03,250
twice is an amazing read this is fade to

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02:39:06,060 --> 02:39:04,689
black army will soon be Church I'll come

3365
02:39:07,800 --> 02:39:06,070
back and we'll open up the phone lines

3366
02:39:09,470 --> 02:39:07,810
right after this short break

3367
02:39:15,030 --> 02:39:09,480
stay with us

3368
02:39:25,690 --> 02:39:23,430
[Music]

3369
02:39:29,090 --> 02:39:25,700
[Applause]

3370
02:39:31,820 --> 02:39:29,100
Hey biblical box here and you are

3371
02:39:37,070 --> 02:39:31,830
listening to my boy Jimmy Church on

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02:39:40,219 --> 02:39:37,080
Jimmy Church radio.com this my popular

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opinion reading a book will not make you

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smarter

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but listening to Jimmy church will

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[Applause]

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hurricanes earthquakes wildfires this

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fair share this is Jimmy Church a fade

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getting old has its perks but remember

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wrinkles that extra weight wasn't

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haunting you and you just felt better

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well we can't turn back the clocks and

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go back 10 or 15 years but you can start

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good your secret will be nature's youth

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it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

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born this way k GRA radio.com this is KJ

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02:43:15,650 --> 02:43:09,810
CRA Jimmy church radiojohn yeah

3450
02:43:15,660 --> 02:43:25,070
[Music]

3451
02:43:30,381 --> 02:43:27,470
all right welcome back fade to black

3452
02:43:34,560 --> 02:43:30,391
America pictures want to thank Jason Liu

3453
02:43:35,900 --> 02:43:34,570
what a conversation tonight Man Man Man

3454
02:43:39,690 --> 02:43:35,910
Man Man

3455
02:43:43,530 --> 02:43:39,700
Jason louvre dot-com you can also follow

3456
02:43:47,251 --> 02:43:43,540
Jason at jason louvre on twitter and you

3457
02:43:49,261 --> 02:43:47,261
can just click over on jason link and

3458
02:43:51,841 --> 02:43:49,271
jason's links over at jimmy church

3459
02:43:56,940 --> 02:43:51,851
radio.com okay I've just opened up the

3460
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phone lines 3 2 3 8 2 5 5 0 4 or 5 or 3

3461
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2 3 2 7 5 9 6 9 5 Jason mentioned the

3462
02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:07,591
NSA a few times tonight and the

3463
02:44:13,890 --> 02:44:10,650
information that came out today about

3464
02:44:16,140 --> 02:44:13,900
AT&T NSA centers across the United

3465
02:44:20,520 --> 02:44:16,150
States pretty frightening when you think

3466
02:44:23,940 --> 02:44:20,530
about it and I should I'm so tempted to

3467
02:44:26,371 --> 02:44:23,950
oppose the addresses of those buildings

3468
02:44:30,381 --> 02:44:26,381
so you can go into your hometown and

3469
02:44:33,180 --> 02:44:30,391
walk by one of these windowless concrete

3470
02:44:36,121 --> 02:44:33,190
monstrosities and just stop and think

3471
02:44:38,671 --> 02:44:36,131
about what is actually going on inside

3472
02:44:41,161 --> 02:44:38,681
of those buildings so think about that

3473
02:44:43,171 --> 02:44:41,171
for a second this is fade to black let's

3474
02:44:47,041 --> 02:44:43,181
go to the phones hi you're live right

3475
02:44:50,041 --> 02:44:47,051
now who's calling from Sacramento oh hi

3476
02:44:51,871 --> 02:44:50,051
Deb how are you hi good Jimmy how are

3477
02:44:54,480 --> 02:44:51,881
you I'm good what do you think about

3478
02:44:56,220 --> 02:44:54,490
that conversation tonight you know when

3479
02:44:57,780 --> 02:44:56,230
I first heard what the topic was I

3480
02:44:59,520 --> 02:44:57,790
thought oh this is going to be so over

3481
02:45:01,831 --> 02:44:59,530
my head and I don't know if I'm going to

3482
02:45:03,480 --> 02:45:01,841
get any of this it was so I mean and

3483
02:45:06,961 --> 02:45:03,490
some of it was over my head but it was

3484
02:45:10,201 --> 02:45:06,971
so educational he explained things so

3485
02:45:13,381 --> 02:45:10,211
clearly as far as the future of AI and

3486
02:45:16,741 --> 02:45:13,391
taking a lot of the fear out of you know

3487
02:45:18,360 --> 02:45:16,751
what's propagated and you know all the

3488
02:45:22,230 --> 02:45:18,370
things that we hear on the internet and

3489
02:45:24,780 --> 02:45:22,240
talking about using discernment and just

3490
02:45:28,890 --> 02:45:24,790
kind of you know clarifying a lot of

3491
02:45:31,770 --> 02:45:28,900
things really interesting well yeah and

3492
02:45:36,990 --> 02:45:31,780
there's another part of it

3493
02:45:40,470 --> 02:45:37,000
and which is this when you have when you

3494
02:45:42,690 --> 02:45:40,480
have so many and especially with the

3495
02:45:45,841 --> 02:45:42,700
research that I do on this because I'm

3496
02:45:51,720 --> 02:45:45,851
fascinated with it when you hear so much

3497
02:45:54,301 --> 02:45:51,730
and then you have Jason bring on the

3498
02:45:57,450 --> 02:45:54,311
other side of it right to kind of smooth

3499
02:46:01,801 --> 02:45:57,460
things over then you kind of get

3500
02:46:04,610 --> 02:46:01,811
yourself balanced a little bit but that

3501
02:46:07,261 --> 02:46:04,620
being said and again it's about

3502
02:46:09,540 --> 02:46:07,271
listening to everybody taking a little

3503
02:46:12,631 --> 02:46:09,550
piece of everything in and you know

3504
02:46:14,400 --> 02:46:12,641
getting because no matter what you

3505
02:46:16,680 --> 02:46:14,410
listen to one side view list the the

3506
02:46:20,280 --> 02:46:16,690
real the reality is somewhere in the

3507
02:46:27,530 --> 02:46:20,290
middle right the reality is is you know

3508
02:46:36,001 --> 02:46:30,841
when we look at some of the basic things

3509
02:46:40,671 --> 02:46:36,011
out there Deb like chess programs or go

3510
02:46:45,060 --> 02:46:40,681
you know the Chinese board game and how

3511
02:46:50,011 --> 02:46:45,070
these software engineers that that work

3512
02:46:51,961 --> 02:46:50,021
on that part of AI have developed stuff

3513
02:46:55,230 --> 02:46:51,971
that is so complicated the game of chess

3514
02:46:58,830 --> 02:46:55,240
is not easy and and go is even more

3515
02:47:02,251 --> 02:46:58,840
complicated than that and we're like

3516
02:47:07,261 --> 02:47:02,261
with go they were able to just give the

3517
02:47:14,870 --> 02:47:07,271
rules you know the rules and then and

3518
02:47:19,040 --> 02:47:14,880
then allow the AI to just play and now

3519
02:47:20,310 --> 02:47:19,050
it's they're unbeatable the AI is

3520
02:47:24,360 --> 02:47:20,320
unbeatable

3521
02:47:26,610 --> 02:47:24,370
so if you take that concept and you

3522
02:47:32,310 --> 02:47:26,620
apply it to just about anything inside

3523
02:47:35,100 --> 02:47:32,320
of AI then I would think we have stuff

3524
02:47:37,051 --> 02:47:35,110
there to worry about where Jason is

3525
02:47:39,091 --> 02:47:37,061
saying I think we're okay here you know

3526
02:47:41,551 --> 02:47:39,101
I think there's a lot of paranoia and a

3527
02:47:44,460 --> 02:47:41,561
lot of fear and and and I can agree with

3528
02:47:48,750 --> 02:47:44,470
that I can but there's the other part of

3529
02:47:51,360 --> 02:47:48,760
where I know that there are millions and

3530
02:47:54,240 --> 02:47:51,370
hundreds of millions of dollars an

3531
02:47:58,290 --> 02:47:54,250
effort and research encoding and

3532
02:48:00,690 --> 02:47:58,300
engineers and developers that are laser

3533
02:48:04,740 --> 02:48:00,700
focused on one thing and that is

3534
02:48:07,800 --> 02:48:04,750
developing a version of you of something

3535
02:48:09,719 --> 02:48:07,810
that can think and to the point where we

3536
02:48:12,769 --> 02:48:09,729
will not be able to tell the difference

3537
02:48:17,240 --> 02:48:12,779
between what is real and what is not

3538
02:48:19,620 --> 02:48:17,250
that is the goal that is 100% the goal

3539
02:48:21,990 --> 02:48:19,630
yeah and that's a scary thought and

3540
02:48:26,190 --> 02:48:22,000
that's a scary thought for sure there's

3541
02:48:30,809 --> 02:48:26,200
there's just no way that I would ever be

3542
02:48:33,240 --> 02:48:30,819
sold on the idea like Zuckerberg was

3543
02:48:35,510 --> 02:48:33,250
presenting last month and his testimony

3544
02:48:42,990 --> 02:48:35,520
in that now were the good guys

3545
02:48:46,679 --> 02:48:43,000
everything is fine all we care about is

3546
02:48:49,969 --> 02:48:46,689
you everything is great no we don't do

3547
02:48:53,490 --> 02:48:49,979
anything evil we don't do anything bad

3548
02:48:57,559 --> 02:48:53,500
everything we do is about being good I

3549
02:49:00,210 --> 02:48:57,569
don't buy into that I don't I don't I

3550
02:49:01,590 --> 02:49:00,220
mean talk about you know not being

3551
02:49:03,269 --> 02:49:01,600
transparent he didn't even want to talk

3552
02:49:05,010 --> 02:49:03,279
about what hotel he stayed at I mean

3553
02:49:07,050 --> 02:49:05,020
give me a break but we're the good guys

3554
02:49:08,820 --> 02:49:07,060
thing we're here and we're here to bring

3555
02:49:11,750 --> 02:49:08,830
the world together and give me a break

3556
02:49:14,760 --> 02:49:11,760
yeah yeah and so I had a lot of

3557
02:49:16,979 --> 02:49:14,770
difficulty with that but listening to

3558
02:49:20,940 --> 02:49:16,989
Jason tonight like I said he centers you

3559
02:49:23,309 --> 02:49:20,950
I pulls you back into into the center a

3560
02:49:25,229 --> 02:49:23,319
little bit and and I think that we need

3561
02:49:26,790 --> 02:49:25,239
to hear that because that's exactly what

3562
02:49:29,160 --> 02:49:26,800
he has been doing that's what he's been

3563
02:49:32,849 --> 02:49:29,170
writing about he understands it and he's

3564
02:49:34,830 --> 02:49:32,859
been developing AI for a long time so

3565
02:49:36,780 --> 02:49:34,840
there you go and that's my take you know

3566
02:49:38,849 --> 02:49:36,790
let's just all learn together it was a

3567
02:49:41,099 --> 02:49:38,859
great conversation I really enjoyed it

3568
02:49:43,139 --> 02:49:41,109
well the part that really resonated with

3569
02:49:46,580 --> 02:49:43,149
me when he was talking about the ability

3570
02:49:50,190 --> 02:49:46,590
to take our souls and put them into a

3571
02:49:52,849 --> 02:49:50,200
microchip you know or a USB and be able

3572
02:49:56,370 --> 02:49:52,859
to do something like that and you know

3573
02:49:58,200 --> 02:49:56,380
no one no one totally understands what a

3574
02:49:59,880 --> 02:49:58,210
soul is like he was saying so

3575
02:50:02,160 --> 02:49:59,890
he was explaining that part of it his

3576
02:50:04,560 --> 02:50:02,170
take on it that's really what resonated

3577
02:50:07,380 --> 02:50:04,570
with me yeah there's another there's

3578
02:50:11,640 --> 02:50:07,390
another part to that and I and and let

3579
02:50:14,820 --> 02:50:11,650
me explain cryogenics okay

3580
02:50:18,450 --> 02:50:14,830
cryogenics we all understand what it is

3581
02:50:21,750 --> 02:50:18,460
freezing your body and for the future

3582
02:50:23,550 --> 02:50:21,760
and maybe disease can be cured and then

3583
02:50:26,040 --> 02:50:23,560
they bring your body back to life and

3584
02:50:28,770 --> 02:50:26,050
boom you get another go right you get

3585
02:50:32,280 --> 02:50:28,780
another girl right yeah so you know they

3586
02:50:34,140 --> 02:50:32,290
freeze my brain right you know and you

3587
02:50:37,490 --> 02:50:34,150
know it's probably not that expensive

3588
02:50:40,380 --> 02:50:37,500
but you know and and my brain gets

3589
02:50:42,750 --> 02:50:40,390
restarted it gets restarted a hundred

3590
02:50:46,080 --> 02:50:42,760
years from now and they figured out how

3591
02:50:50,930 --> 02:50:46,090
to clone another body for me right and

3592
02:50:54,990 --> 02:50:50,940
they reattach my they don't know I

3593
02:51:00,360 --> 02:50:55,000
certainly don't know who I am going to

3594
02:51:04,710 --> 02:51:00,370
be is my soul going is Jimmy going to be

3595
02:51:08,490 --> 02:51:04,720
inside of that brain my memories should

3596
02:51:11,820 --> 02:51:08,500
be there right the data storage should

3597
02:51:16,680 --> 02:51:11,830
be there but what about me what about my

3598
02:51:20,280 --> 02:51:16,690
soul you know what what becomes of that

3599
02:51:22,560 --> 02:51:20,290
is that you know and of course we deal

3600
02:51:25,620 --> 02:51:22,570
with this with a spirituality and and

3601
02:51:27,780 --> 02:51:25,630
today in consciousness and and what

3602
02:51:29,430 --> 02:51:27,790
happens when you die and your soul you

3603
02:51:32,340 --> 02:51:29,440
know what happens that part of it we

3604
02:51:34,530 --> 02:51:32,350
know that our body turns off right okay

3605
02:51:39,360 --> 02:51:34,540
all right that's electric it turns off

3606
02:51:42,410 --> 02:51:39,370
but if my brain gets fired up again is

3607
02:51:45,510 --> 02:51:42,420
it going to be me

3608
02:51:48,150 --> 02:51:45,520
that's the coin of interesting yeah

3609
02:51:50,280 --> 02:51:48,160
along those lines to you know kind of

3610
02:51:52,890 --> 02:51:50,290
help you make your point is not that you

3611
02:51:55,440 --> 02:51:52,900
need help but it makes me think about

3612
02:51:58,410 --> 02:51:55,450
how when someone maybe gets an organ

3613
02:52:00,330 --> 02:51:58,420
from an organ donor and that person

3614
02:52:01,920 --> 02:52:00,340
maybe died but the new person that has

3615
02:52:04,560 --> 02:52:01,930
their organ all of a sudden they start

3616
02:52:08,340 --> 02:52:04,570
developing the habits or the taste of

3617
02:52:11,910 --> 02:52:08,350
the donor I write out so I had a fader

3618
02:52:13,680 --> 02:52:11,920
back the other day that I didn't use

3619
02:52:15,750 --> 02:52:13,690
well I won't be able to use it now

3620
02:52:17,310 --> 02:52:15,760
anyway because I'm about to spill it

3621
02:52:21,301 --> 02:52:17,320
which is this

3622
02:52:26,040 --> 02:52:21,311
there was a heart transplant guy commits

3623
02:52:28,461 --> 02:52:26,050
suicide okay commit suicide I'm not

3624
02:52:33,740 --> 02:52:28,471
going to say how but he commits suicide

3625
02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:33,750
organ heart transplant into the new

3626
02:52:43,770 --> 02:52:39,130
recipient who actually marries the wife

3627
02:52:47,250 --> 02:52:43,780
of the dude that committed suicide ten

3628
02:52:50,430 --> 02:52:47,260
years later the recipient of the heart

3629
02:52:55,620 --> 02:52:50,440
transplant committed suicide the same

3630
02:53:04,020 --> 02:52:55,630
way that the donor did and he was

3631
02:53:10,620 --> 02:53:04,030
married to his wife yeah now and so and

3632
02:53:13,650 --> 02:53:10,630
in reading the facts of the case it was

3633
02:53:16,890 --> 02:53:13,660
it was almost too much it's like there's

3634
02:53:20,730 --> 02:53:16,900
something there man I don't know I don't

3635
02:53:23,341 --> 02:53:20,740
know but it happened yeah it's a very

3636
02:53:28,921 --> 02:53:23,351
and and think about the wife right two

3637
02:53:30,750 --> 02:53:28,931
in a row yeah it's trippy thank you so

3638
02:53:33,301 --> 02:53:30,760
much dad we'll see you tomorrow night on

3639
02:53:35,640 --> 02:53:33,311
the show okay Jamie take care thank you

3640
02:53:39,080 --> 02:53:35,650
have a great night that's a great

3641
02:53:41,341 --> 02:53:39,090
conversation right there with Deb let's

3642
02:53:42,270 --> 02:53:41,351
go back to the phones here let's see

3643
02:53:44,461 --> 02:53:42,280
area code

3644
02:53:50,430 --> 02:53:44,471
three six zero you're up next on fade to

3645
02:53:58,020 --> 02:53:50,440
black who's calling hey Phil you're

3646
02:54:00,921 --> 02:53:58,030
breaking up man and that's your throne

3647
02:54:10,770 --> 02:54:00,931
you need to go see a doctor

3648
02:54:14,011 --> 02:54:10,780
yeah anyway so long see what the last

3649
02:54:15,841 --> 02:54:14,021
lady said and the sole thing yeah there

3650
02:54:19,020 --> 02:54:15,851
isn't any way you're gonna get a soul we

3651
02:54:20,250 --> 02:54:19,030
jump into a damn ship and I can't see

3652
02:54:22,080 --> 02:54:20,260
that I mean we're a multi-dimensional

3653
02:54:24,440 --> 02:54:22,090
selves what are we gonna do in a damn

3654
02:54:30,380 --> 02:54:24,450
ship that's no fun

3655
02:54:33,510 --> 02:54:30,390
but also I wanted to talk about the

3656
02:54:37,920 --> 02:54:33,520
prediction that was made on a might to

3657
02:54:40,860 --> 02:54:37,930
my question last week and I've come

3658
02:54:43,370 --> 02:54:40,870
across data that says that Mother's has

3659
02:54:46,639 --> 02:54:43,380
already ascended to her

3660
02:54:51,300 --> 02:54:46,649
multi-dimensional fifth dimensional self

3661
02:54:52,370 --> 02:54:51,310
so it's us that are how do you get the

3662
02:54:56,820 --> 02:54:52,380
information

3663
02:55:03,060 --> 02:54:56,830
well three resources Lisa transcendence

3664
02:55:08,130 --> 02:55:03,070
Braun who claimed that she's there that

3665
02:55:10,469 --> 02:55:08,140
she can go there already and the other

3666
02:55:15,660 --> 02:55:10,479
one was James Tiburon in a talk that he

3667
02:55:18,929 --> 02:55:15,670
gave recently on earth keepers so I mean

3668
02:55:20,490 --> 02:55:18,939
yeah it's not like a scientific thing no

3669
02:55:21,990 --> 02:55:20,500
I'm not saying that I just want to know

3670
02:55:24,210 --> 02:55:22,000
where you got the information from you

3671
02:55:29,969 --> 02:55:24,220
said you got information that was

3672
02:55:31,679 --> 02:55:29,979
already there right yeah no well they

3673
02:55:33,210 --> 02:55:31,689
haven't actually talked to mothers

3674
02:55:35,580 --> 02:55:33,220
myself and which is what I should have

3675
02:55:37,170 --> 02:55:35,590
done anyway and not asked anybody else I

3676
02:55:38,700 --> 02:55:37,180
don't know why I even asked that

3677
02:55:41,610 --> 02:55:38,710
question now that I thought about it

3678
02:55:43,860 --> 02:55:41,620
well I get anyway get back to the I'm

3679
02:55:45,389 --> 02:55:43,870
sorry go ahead that vet your own

3680
02:55:46,889 --> 02:55:45,399
information that's all you got to do

3681
02:55:54,530 --> 02:55:46,899
you're right just go back to the source

3682
02:55:59,730 --> 02:55:54,540
ask Gaia what's up and write about it or

3683
02:56:05,730 --> 02:55:59,740
give a call and when I do that to this

3684
02:56:09,240 --> 02:56:05,740
day I think that's just I mean he didn't

3685
02:56:12,960 --> 02:56:09,250
talk about Sophia and I definitely had

3686
02:56:14,820 --> 02:56:12,970
heard about AI to be AI programs like

3687
02:56:16,710 --> 02:56:14,830
communicating with each other in a

3688
02:56:19,290 --> 02:56:16,720
different language that they created

3689
02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:19,300
themselves yeah yeah her story of that

3690
02:56:26,730 --> 02:56:23,530
yeah that was last year yes yeah so some

3691
02:56:32,750 --> 02:56:26,740
strange stuff is going on there and you

3692
02:56:37,490 --> 02:56:35,820
that it's a secret space program and

3693
02:56:40,460 --> 02:56:37,500
most of the other

3694
02:56:43,100 --> 02:56:40,470
benign societies are trying to combat

3695
02:56:45,290 --> 02:56:43,110
and they think that the what is it the

3696
02:56:50,300 --> 02:56:45,300
Draco's are the ones that are controlled

3697
02:56:53,510 --> 02:56:50,310
by this AI and see and then I heard on

3698
02:56:57,380 --> 02:56:53,520
that one of another channel that's

3699
02:57:01,520 --> 02:56:57,390
talking about an AI clouds it's just

3700
02:57:06,950 --> 02:57:01,530
outside of our solar system hmm hang it

3701
02:57:09,500 --> 02:57:06,960
out there so what a big deal there is to

3702
02:57:12,230 --> 02:57:09,510
have the big solar flash that will just

3703
02:57:14,750 --> 02:57:12,240
you know pry all that stuff so we're not

3704
02:57:21,770 --> 02:57:14,760
going to have any a high we're gonna

3705
02:57:27,410 --> 02:57:21,780
have to start all over yeah I'm um my my

3706
02:57:31,280 --> 02:57:27,420
thing is and and many sci-fi riders have

3707
02:57:34,100 --> 02:57:31,290
talked about this but the ability for a

3708
02:57:38,510 --> 02:57:34,110
sci-fi writer science fiction writer to

3709
02:57:41,720 --> 02:57:38,520
to put this stuff down but then to have

3710
02:57:45,740 --> 02:57:41,730
it actually eventually play itself out

3711
02:57:48,260 --> 02:57:45,750
in that all you have to do is plant the

3712
02:57:50,660 --> 02:57:48,270
seed of an idea and the seed of an idea

3713
02:57:52,820 --> 02:57:50,670
is something like Terminator 2 or

3714
02:57:56,660 --> 02:57:52,830
machines taking over the world and and

3715
02:57:57,980 --> 02:57:56,670
robots and computers and they all you

3716
02:58:02,210 --> 02:57:57,990
have to do is plant the seed of the idea

3717
02:58:04,280 --> 02:58:02,220
for that and then you go and and invent

3718
02:58:06,740 --> 02:58:04,290
it that's all you got to do

3719
02:58:10,100 --> 02:58:06,750
satellites telecommunications cell

3720
02:58:13,370 --> 02:58:10,110
phones streaming video

3721
02:58:15,290 --> 02:58:13,380
Dick Tracy video watch it all you have

3722
02:58:18,740 --> 02:58:15,300
to do is plant the seed of the idea and

3723
02:58:21,050 --> 02:58:18,750
then they go and create it and so when

3724
02:58:23,030 --> 02:58:21,060
it comes to AI and we we're talking

3725
02:58:25,790 --> 02:58:23,040
about this kind of machine learning and

3726
02:58:28,700 --> 02:58:25,800
in the ability in the Hal 9000 computer

3727
02:58:31,610 --> 02:58:28,710
in 2001 well that they're gonna go and

3728
02:58:35,540 --> 02:58:31,620
invent it they're gonna go and and you

3729
02:58:37,760 --> 02:58:35,550
give them the idea for an EMF well you

3730
02:58:39,740 --> 02:58:37,770
know look at Star Trek and everything

3731
02:58:42,710 --> 02:58:39,750
that was in Star Trek they're working on

3732
02:58:47,000 --> 02:58:42,720
today from not only teleportation but

3733
02:58:48,341 --> 02:58:47,010
look at the communicators and and you

3734
02:58:50,801 --> 02:58:48,351
know

3735
02:58:54,791 --> 02:58:50,811
exotic engines and propulsion systems

3736
02:58:57,430 --> 02:58:54,801
and so forth so anyway you you put that

3737
02:59:00,990 --> 02:58:57,440
idea out there and now you talk about

3738
02:59:04,180 --> 02:59:01,000
the singularity and and the point of

3739
02:59:07,631 --> 02:59:04,190
it's gonna happen you only have to put

3740
02:59:10,060 --> 02:59:07,641
the idea out there the and it germinates

3741
02:59:13,270 --> 02:59:10,070
in a petri dish and the next thing you

3742
02:59:17,140 --> 02:59:13,280
know so to say that the singularity is

3743
02:59:20,261 --> 02:59:17,150
not possible the fear of for me for

3744
02:59:24,251 --> 02:59:20,271
machine learning to take place and they

3745
02:59:26,591 --> 02:59:24,261
they suddenly surpass us at that point

3746
02:59:28,841 --> 02:59:26,601
being able to teach themselves and

3747
02:59:32,770 --> 02:59:28,851
acquire knowledge through a vast network

3748
02:59:36,730 --> 02:59:32,780
of data that is interconnected on server

3749
02:59:40,870 --> 02:59:36,740
farms around the world and learn learn

3750
02:59:44,110 --> 02:59:40,880
math and learn physics and and and and

3751
02:59:46,150 --> 02:59:44,120
biology and ever just just learn

3752
02:59:48,160 --> 02:59:46,160
everything and take science to the next

3753
02:59:50,680 --> 02:59:48,170
level and and knowledge to the next

3754
02:59:53,560 --> 02:59:50,690
level and design to the next level and

3755
02:59:56,430 --> 02:59:53,570
do it by themselves without us that's a

3756
03:00:00,610 --> 02:59:56,440
scary thought and what they could learn

3757
03:00:03,761 --> 03:00:00,620
automatically in 24 hours in 48 hours

3758
03:00:06,551 --> 03:00:03,771
not in a hundred years we've been

3759
03:00:09,091 --> 03:00:06,561
acquiring this knowledge for 5,000 years

3760
03:00:14,320 --> 03:00:09,101
right 5,000 years got us to the moon

3761
03:00:17,921 --> 03:00:14,330
right well or longer but a machine

3762
03:00:22,631 --> 03:00:17,931
learning situation of singularity that

3763
03:00:27,330 --> 03:00:22,641
knowledge gets by the nanosecond by the

3764
03:00:30,610 --> 03:00:27,340
nanosecond just multitudes magnitudes of

3765
03:00:33,370 --> 03:00:30,620
knowledge it's that's a crazy thought to

3766
03:00:37,390 --> 03:00:33,380
me so they've got that at quantum

3767
03:00:39,610 --> 03:00:37,400
computer the d3 or I can't remember the

3768
03:00:40,270 --> 03:00:39,620
exact name of this there's so many of

3769
03:00:43,120 --> 03:00:40,280
them now

3770
03:00:45,490 --> 03:00:43,130
I mean China's gotta be the badass does

3771
03:00:48,490 --> 03:00:45,500
quantum computer right now but listen I

3772
03:00:50,291 --> 03:00:48,500
fill a boggle or one I got a run I got a

3773
03:00:52,060 --> 03:00:50,301
round gate right the end of the show so

3774
03:00:53,830 --> 03:00:52,070
I'll see you tomorrow all right man take

3775
03:00:55,180 --> 03:00:53,840
care of it you know see what thank you

3776
03:00:59,140 --> 03:00:55,190
Phillip

3777
03:01:03,450 --> 03:00:59,150
I Philip Philip as he should be

3778
03:01:10,889 --> 03:01:07,649
be aware be aware I don't know everybody

3779
03:01:12,960 --> 03:01:10,899
talks about the that infamous on/off

3780
03:01:16,439 --> 03:01:12,970
switch when it comes to these

3781
03:01:19,950 --> 03:01:16,449
capabilities you know where can we do it

3782
03:01:24,689 --> 03:01:19,960
and where should where should it be put

3783
03:01:27,090 --> 03:01:24,699
and then at the moment of necessity flip

3784
03:01:30,809 --> 03:01:27,100
that and turn everything off is it

3785
03:01:33,269 --> 03:01:30,819
possible you know and to think how we

3786
03:01:41,069 --> 03:01:33,279
don't have to worry about that no we do

3787
03:01:45,210 --> 03:01:41,079
we absolutely do i I don't want there to

3788
03:01:48,240 --> 03:01:45,220
be some central core out there that is

3789
03:01:50,490 --> 03:01:48,250
very very smart and connected that can

3790
03:01:52,830 --> 03:01:50,500
run things and I'm talking about

3791
03:01:55,790 --> 03:01:52,840
nanobots and I'm talking about drones

3792
03:01:58,170 --> 03:01:55,800
and I'm talking about robots and and

3793
03:02:01,620 --> 03:01:58,180
manufacturing and electricity and food

3794
03:02:04,380 --> 03:02:01,630
and if all that can be controlled by

3795
03:02:09,420 --> 03:02:04,390
somebody that is not controllable when I

3796
03:02:11,880 --> 03:02:09,430
say somebody I'm talking about AI I'm

3797
03:02:15,450 --> 03:02:11,890
just not so sure we we need to be

3798
03:02:18,840 --> 03:02:15,460
relaxed about that I'm gonna continue to

3799
03:02:23,420 --> 03:02:18,850
be paranoid I have to be and so should

3800
03:02:26,849 --> 03:02:23,430
all of us technology is a good thing the

3801
03:02:29,729 --> 03:02:26,859
ability for us to do this show and how

3802
03:02:33,870 --> 03:02:29,739
we do it is part of the technology that

3803
03:02:36,779 --> 03:02:33,880
I embrace this family is connected every

3804
03:02:38,910 --> 03:02:36,789
single night by the technology that we

3805
03:02:41,609 --> 03:02:38,920
need to also be a little bit you know

3806
03:02:43,889 --> 03:02:41,619
worried about and I think that's healthy

3807
03:02:46,620 --> 03:02:43,899
this is fade to black I'm your host

3808
03:02:50,639 --> 03:02:46,630
Jimmy church want to thank Jason Lube

3809
03:02:52,410 --> 03:02:50,649
Jason Lube L o UV comm the links are

3810
03:02:55,520 --> 03:02:52,420
over at Jimmy Church radio.com e could

3811
03:02:57,590 --> 03:02:55,530
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3812
03:02:59,390 --> 03:02:57,600
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03:03:01,820 --> 03:02:59,400
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03:03:22,850 --> 03:03:20,250
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03:03:24,020 --> 03:03:22,860
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03:03:26,540 --> 03:03:24,030
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03:03:28,160 --> 03:03:26,550
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03:03:30,500 --> 03:03:28,170
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3825
03:03:32,090 --> 03:03:30,510
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03:03:34,210 --> 03:03:32,100
fade to black of the game-changer

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03:03:36,200 --> 03:03:34,220
network i'm your host jimmy church

3828
03:03:38,860 --> 03:03:36,210
tomorrow night it's gonna be a great

3829
03:03:43,220 --> 03:03:38,870
night I'm gonna introduce you to Tracy

3830
03:04:00,500 --> 03:03:43,230
Garvin until then I want everybody to be